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John-Paul Sartre

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Continuing my education, and having read through sprinklings of Voltaire recently, and having encountered in a brief discussion last week another french philosopher, Sartre, I have decided to peruse through the works of this famour french philosopher.
One of the key figures in existentialism, a subject that is fascinating. I read through some of his quotes and have been pondering this one - God is absence, God is solitude in man. There seemed to be an absence of people explaining this one online ( pun intended ), but I have formed my own opinion on it. Some of his quotes are so dry and concise as to seem comical at first view. He is certainly a fascinating thinker.
Does anyone have any opinions on him and what to read? I know relatively little about him. Existentialism is obviously an important subject.
 
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Continuing my education, and having read through sprinklings of Voltaire recently, and having encountered in a brief discussion last week another french philosopher, Sartre, I have decided to peruse through the works of this famour french philosopher.
One of the key figures in existentialism, a subject that is fascinating. I read through some of his quotes and have been pondering this one - God is absence, God is solitude in man. There seemed to be an absence of people explaining this one online ( pun intended ), but I have formed my own opinion on it. Some of his quotes are so dry and concise as to seem comical at first view. He is certainly a fascinating thinker.
Does anyone have any opinions on him and what to read? I know relatively little about him. Existentialism is obviously an important subject.

Start with Nausea and then work your way through the Roads of Freedom trilogy. Particularly enjoyed The Age of Reason.
 
Couldn't finish Nausea. I could tell he was getting to some sort of point but I didn't know what it was and couldn't bring myself to care. In Camera also felt like it would work better as a one-line wisecrack because as a piece of writing it's pretty dire.

Rimmer said it best:
 
Couldn't finish Nausea. I could tell he was getting to some sort of point but I didn't know what it was and couldn't bring myself to care. In Camera also felt like it would work better as a one-line wisecrack because as a piece of writing it's pretty dire.

Rimmer said it best:

He reminds myself of a Beatnik in that video. Was he a Beatnik?
 
When I first researched him, my primary impression was that he is ugly. I mean, the photos of hm, his face is ugly. I wondered how much this had an influence upon his character. I was amused and must say I find an affinity with his quote - Hell is other people. Also I understood and found very amusing that someone wrote, in study of it - Hell is existential cliches 🤣
 
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It is the reflection of my face. Often in these lost days I study it: I can understand nothing of this face. The faces of others have some sense, some direction. Not mine. I cannot even decide whether it is handsome or ugly. I think it is ugly because I have been told so. But it doesn't strike me. At heart, I am even shocked that anyone can attribute qualities of this kind to it, as if you called a clod of earth or a block of stone beautiful or ugly.
Jean-Paul Sartre, Nausea
 
“It is the reflection of my face. Often in these lost days I study it: I can understand nothing of this face. The faces of others have some sense, some direction. Not mine. I cannot even decide whether it is handsome or ugly. I think it is ugly because I have been told so. But it doesn't strike me. At heart, I am even shocked that anyone can attribute qualities of this kind to it, as if you called a clod of earth or a block of stone beautiful or ugly.”
For me, in my extremely limited knowledge of him, I immediately am seeing him as an intrinsical thinker. He seems to picture everything in a bleak, base form, with no delusions.
 
The guy running a pub quiz once accused me of cheating because he couldn't believe I knew who wrote Nausea. Can't say I've read much of his non-fiction (think I read Anti-Semite and Jew once but it was a long time ago), but he's a pretty decent fiction writer, seconding steeplejack's recommendation of the Roads to Freedom trilogy above. And indeed surreybrowncap's recommendation of S de B. I think you can read The Age of Reason and L'Invitee/She Came to Stay to get a sense of the same love affair from both Sartre's and de Beauvoir's perspectives, if that's something you'd have any interest in?

Oh, and do you know about the lobsters/crabs?
 
The guy running a pub quiz once accused me of cheating because he couldn't believe I knew who wrote Nausea. Can't say I've read much of his non-fiction (think I read Anti-Semite and Jew once but it was a long time ago), but he's a pretty decent fiction writer, seconding steeplejack's recommendation of the Roads to Freedom trilogy above. And indeed surreybrowncap's recommendation of S de B. I think you can read The Age of Reason and L'Invitee/She Came to Stay to get a sense of the same love affair from both Sartre's and de Beauvoir's perspectives, if that's something you'd have any interest in?

Oh, and do you know about the lobsters/crabs?
He he, I now have to ask. No I dont know about the Lobsters/crabs, I am completely in the dark with that. What is that about?
 
OK I researched it.

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‘“What crabs? Are you mad? What crabs? Ah! Yes. Well, yes… The crabs are men. And so? Where did I get that idea? Real men, good and beautiful, on all the balconies of the centuries. As for me, I was crawling in the yard; I imagined I heard them speaking: ‘Brother, what’s that?’ That was me. Me the Crab…’
– Sartre, The Condemned of Altona
Huxley, Sartre, and Mescaline
In 1954, Aldous Huxley famously detailed his experiences with the psychedelic drug Mescaline in his seminal book The Doors of Perception. Throughout the 60’s, with the increasingly popular use of other psychedelic drugs such as LSD, Huxley’s book became somewhat of a counter-culture bible for many young people at the time. The book was the key influence for Jim Morrsion naming his band The Doors, and Huxley was also featured on the cover art of The Beatles Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band album.
Huxley’s Mescaline experiences in the 50s had led him to describe: ‘the other world to which mescaline admitted me was not the world of visions; it existed out there, in what I could see with my eyes open.’ The great change for him was instead an alteration ‘in the realm of objective fact’. Rather than a visualisation of imaginary objects The Doors of Perception contains a series of beautiful, detailed descriptions of patterns and colours:
there were sumptuous red surfaces swelling and expanding from bright nodes of energy that vibrated with a continuously changing, patterned life. At another time the closing of my eyes revealed a complex of gray structures, within which pale bluish spheres kept emerging into intense solidity and, having emerged, would slide noiselessly upwards, out of sight.
However, 20 years earlier in 1935, while he was attending France’s prestigious École Normale Supérieure, another famous thinker also decided to experiment with mescaline, with startlingly different results. Jean Paul Sartre’s fame was still several years ahead of him; he was then in his late twenties and employed as an unpublished and unknown philosophy teacher. At the time Sartre was writing a book on the imagination and he hoped that the drug would induce hallucinations that would give him a new insight into his research. However, his lifelong companion and fellow philosopher Simone de Beauvoir reported later that the plan may have succeeded all too well…
During the midst of his trip Sartre had received a phone call from de Beauvoir; a phone call that had apparently rescued him from a desperate battle with scrambled lobsters, octopuses and other grimacing sea-life. To Sartre ordinary objects had begun to change their shape grotesquely: umbrellas were deforming into vultures, shoes were turning into skeletons, and faces looked absolutely ‘monstrous’. All the while, behind him, just past the corner of his eye was the constant threat of the terrifying deep water dwellers. Yet, despite these horrible hallucinations (that seem rather uncharacteristic of the mescaline experience), by the following day Sartre had apparently recovered completely, referring to the experience with ‘cheerful detachment.’

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🤣 The Huxley connection is funny. I found it funny when they mentioned the counterculture lot. Not that I am interested in that particularly, but that it is like reading the Beano comic, but an adult one.
 
Yep, more on it here for instance:

The crabs followed him “all the time,” he said, “I mean they followed me in the streets, into class.”

I got used to them. I would wake up in the morning and say, “Good morning, my little ones, how did you sleep?” I would talk to them all the time, or I would say, “OK guys, we’re going into class now, so we have to be still and quiet,” and they would be there, around my desk, absolutely still, until the bell rang.

This went on for a year before Sartre went to see his friend Jacques Lacan for psychoanalysis...

Crustaceans continued to haunt the philosopher. While the effects of the mescaline eventually dissipated, “when he was feeling down,” writes Cox, Sartre would get the “recurrent feeling, the delusion, that he was being pursued by a giant lobster, always just out of sight… perpetually about to arrive.”
 
The crabs followed him “all the time,” he said, “I mean they followed me in the streets, into class.”


I got used to them. I would wake up in the morning and say, “Good morning, my little ones, how did you sleep?” I would talk to them all the time, or I would say, “OK guys, we’re going into class now, so we have to be still and quiet,” and they would be there, around my desk, absolutely still, until the bell rang.

This went on for a year before Sartre went to see his friend Jacques Lacan for psychoanalysis...

Crustaceans continued to haunt the philosopher. While the effects of the mescaline eventually dissipated, “when he was feeling down,” writes Cox, Sartre would get the “recurrent feeling, the delusion, that he was being pursued by a giant lobster, always just out of sight… perpetually about to arrive.”

🤣 🤣
 
Serene, do you plan to actually read any Sartre, or just a few out-of-context quotes?

I warn you, he's not the easiest to read. Being and Nothingness is a real slog. But there is a lot of genius in there that revolutionised 20th century thought. You can't just pick it up in soundbites, though.
 
Serene, do you plan to actually read any Sartre, or just a few out-of-context quotes?

I warn you, he's not the easiest to read. Being and Nothingness is a real slog. But there is a lot of genius in there that revolutionised 20th century thought. You can't just pick it up in soundbites, though.
Aye, point taken, I really do understand what you are saying. I am a huge fan of biographies of interesting people. I was reading just now that Nausea, according to a reviewer can be depressing reading. I am building up a picture with a view of how much to read and which should be the starting point.
 
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