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Jazz history - all of it! The Thread

danny la rouge

More like *fanny* la rouge!
The invitation
This thread is posted in response to a number* of PMs of support asking me to curate the jazz companion thread to the Jamaican music thread that started off in 1962 (year of independence) and then went through year by year, posting tunes from that year and talking about what the changes were.

I found this an intriguing idea. However, being but an interested amateur, I welcome contributions from others. I look forward to the discussion. Jazz, perhaps especially early jazz, might not prove easy to pin down. But it’ll be fun anyway. And you can join in.

I’ll start off with a brief background to the beginnings of jazz, and announce our first artist.

If you want to play at home, you might want to get hold of Ted Gioia, (1997), The History of Jazz, and possibly also Brian Morton & Richard Cook, (2010), The Penguin Jazz Guide: the History of the Music in the 1001 Best Albums.

Then you can see if you agree with my picks and my reasons.

The challenge: beginning our time line
The first problem we have is where to start. It is generally thought that jazz coalesced out of two main streams of African- American music that circulated at the end of the 19th Century/beginning of the 20th Century: ragtime and blues.

As ever, things aren’t quite as simple as that. Black pianists like Scott Joplin came to prominence after appearing at the World's Fair in Chicago in 1893, and starting the ragtime craze. However, they didn’t come from nowhere: Joplin (from Texas) says he was trying to imitate, on piano, the banjo style he had heard black musicians play in the plantations of the South; some of his early sheets music carries the instruction, “in the banjo style”. These are the same roots that blues music grew from.

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Scott Joplin

“Rag time” means the music is played in ragged – that is, uneven - time; in other words, it is syncopated. Melody lines are played out of kilter with a steady left hand bass. And we hear the sort of thing Joplin said he was imitating in the early country blues, in players like Mississippi John Hurt. So, rather than being two separate streams that joined to become jazz, ragtime and blues in some respects are descendents of a common ancestor.

Genre fluidity
However, rather than being separate and fenced off, they seemed to recombine and re-pollinate each other. Classic jazz as we understand it is primarily played by a brass and woodwind front line, and country blues by string ensembles. But in the very early days this seems to have been fluid: there are very early recordings of string ensembles playing music that can be described as proto- jazz. Freddie Keppard, for example, played violin and mandolin before switching to cornet. Early in the history of jazz, violins would sometimes carry the melody in an otherwise brass setting. There was also a change in fashion between tuba and double bass to carry the bass part, which seems to go in the opposite direction of the more general strings to brass shift. And whether the musicians were playing ragtime, what later became known as jazz, or blues seems not to have mattered much to them: for example listen to the early recordings of New Orleans blues guitarist Lonnie Johnson to hear the way string ensembles of violin, mandolin, guitar could play jazz or blues.

The era of sound recordings
The next problem we have is that the very first jazz music was never recorded. It was played by black performers, often for black audiences. Those very early audiences didn’t have the money to buy records, and it didn’t occur to the record producers to record it. (Not, that is, until later, when white audiences – with the cash to buy records – got interested in jazz). Thus Buddy Bolden, regarded by musicians such as Louis Armstrong, Bunk Johnson, and Jelly Roll Morton as at least being important in the foundation of jazz, and by some as being the progenitor, was never recorded. (There is a legend that he may have made a recording on a paper disc, but it has never surfaced).

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Buddy Bolden

Bolden, an alcoholic, was diagnosed with dementia praecox and committed to an asylum in 1907, never to return to the music scene. None of his contemporaries was recorded until over a decade later - some considerably later than that - by which time fashions in jazz had moved on, and we can’t know whether those players had been influenced by later trends and modified their own styles through time. Bolden’s most famous tune was “Funky Butt”; see Humphrey Littleton’s reconstruction here:
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When jazz became widely popular in the so-called Jazz Age of the 1920s, those very early artists were still around. But nobody then thought to seek them out and ask them about their experiences, or what they sounded like in the beginning. For one thing jazz was all about the next innovation, not the out-of-date sounds of yesteryear, and for another thing, those were poor, provincial blacks. Oral historians weren’t much interested in them at the time.

Acoustical recording
The other distorting fact we have is the recording process itself. In very early recording, sound was collected mechanically rather than electronically. Musicians played into a horn rather than microphones. (http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/about/acoustical-recording). This method was not good at reproducing drums, pianos, or even plucked double bass. Often jazz bands were recorded without those instruments, or with drummers and pianists asked to tone down or modify what they played. This was bound to have a knock-on effect on the way other instruments played. Without the bass or drum part you are used to, you will not be propelled to play the way you normally play.

Even in the early electrical era, the reproduction of sounds was poor. (We’ll never know how Bix Beiderbecke sounded in the flesh). It was much worse in the acoustical era.
Also, playing time was restricted by what would fit on one side of a disc. There were no LPs until decades later! Add to that the unfamiliar environment, the fact that recording technicians often interfered by telling musicians how to play, and the fact that some bands – ironically concerned with posterity – didn’t improvise as freely in recording sessions as they would in a dance hall (Jelly Roll Morton, for example, more or less dictated the parts his recording bands should play), and you get the picture of a music ill-served by the early technology and recording industry.

What’s in a name?
Books are often fairly coy about where the word “jazz” comes from; perhaps unsurprisingly, as it seems to have been a term for male sexual juices, which then became slang for doing something with vigour (similar to the word “spunk”). It doesn’t seem to be used as a term for a music genre until around 1915, although prior to that musicians may have talked of jazzing their performance up, meaning giving more oomph and wow to the proceedings. Many of the early exponents of the music seem to have gone on preferring to call the music they played “ragtime”, even though “ragtime” no long accurately described what they did, and even long after the term jazz gained public acceptance in describing the genre. Buddy Bolden, it is almost certain, never called his music “jazz”. Even Kid Ory went on talking of ragtime long into the 20s.

So what are the attributes of jazz? In the very early part of the 20th Century, it was syncopated music, featuring African-descended polyrhythmic ideas, and African tonality, specifically blue notes on the 3rd and 7th of the scale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_note), and some degree of improvisation. And most of all, it swung.

The musicians playing it had imbibed ideas from European music, from the folk music of neighbouring poor whites, from the Caribbean, and some element of Latin dance music that Jelly Roll Morton called the “Spanish Tinge”. New Orleans was a cauldron of cultures and music, and jazz was neither African nor European, but American.

Choosing a starting point
The first band calling itself a jazz band to make a record was a white band. They were called the Original Dixieland Jazz Band. Their first release was “Livery Stable Blues”. However, their sound is not typical of early jazz, and their music – especially this first record – was novelty music, which seems to find cheap humour in black music in a way somewhat akin to minstrelsy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minstrel_show ). It lacks a deep passion and understanding, and is played for laughs. (My dubiety towards the sincerity is only amplified by leader Nick LaRocca’s overt racism in his later self-promoting writing). Their records also contained little by the way of improvisation: each chorus is played much the same way as the last.

Louis Armstrong and Bix Beiderbecke were among those who rated them, and some of their tunes – such as Tiger Rag – became standards in the hands of others, but looking back I don’t hear what they heard. They have a certain charm taken on their own terms, and were hugely popular and had an enormous effect on the popularization of jazz music, but I don’t think they are representative of jazz of the time. I’m not choosing the ODJB as a starting point; they weren’t the beginning, they only got into the studio first.

Instead, I’m opting for Freddie Keppard.

Find out why in 2 weeks
I’ll give those of you who are ordering the book(s) a chance to get hold of them and start reading. Then I’ll tell you the track I’ve picked, and why. And you can tell me whether or not you agree.

Suggested reading: Gioia, T, (1997), The History of Jazz. Chapters 1 &2.

*One: ska invita.
 
Would be great if anyone was up for getting the books and reading along - I've got the two that Danny recommended and just read the first 5 pages of Ted Gioia's The History of Jazz and its a brilliant read...this thread will probably run for a year so might as well as settle in for the trip :cool:
 
Danny - power to your elbow. You are evidently a bit of a Jazz expert on these boards. I will be following this thread avidly.
 
In light of the subject matter, is it acceptable to go off at wild tangents and start talking about something else entirely?

Seriously, given my own patchy knowledge of jazz this thread could be hip daddio :cool:
 
We have to thank ska for the idea.

On another note, both of those books I've mentioned are great, but they serve different functions. The Gioia is, in my opinion, the best all round jazz history book. (Although I have one of two minor disagreements with him here and there, but we'll come to that). Be warned, though, the Penguin Jazz Guide is altogether more dangerous. It's a run down, decade by decade, of Brian Morton's and the late Richard Cook's choices of the best jazz on CD. 1001 of them. If you're anything like me, it's going to cause you to part with money!
 
Assuming we don't have to work chronologically, I thought I'd throw in some comtemporary stuff I recently heard.
No Brogdale, chronologically is exactly what we're doing, one year at a time - and Danny leads it saying when we move onto a new year. At the moment we haven't even started yet!! The plan is we've got a couple of weeks if anyone wants to buy the books and get reading, and then Danny will slowly go forward year by year. everyone is of course welcome to chip in once a year is on the go.

The 50 years of Jamaican music thread did a year a day but this will go a lot slower than that.
 
great stuff. listening to a lot of Original Dixie Jass Band, Bix and King Oliver just now. so exciting and wild.
 
In light of the subject matter, is it acceptable to go off at wild tangents and start talking about something else entirely?
I think it will be interesting to look at how jazz influences other music at the time - be it jungle or hendrix - but i think its important to keep to the year-at-a-time format
 
still think 'goodbye, porkpie' is the best pastry related jazz title.
It was really called 'Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" and was a tribute by Charles Mingus to the recently deceased Lester Young, who wore a hat of the style known as a 'pork pie'. I expect you knew that though.
 
yeah chronological is definately the way to go. Think after we've got through this thread, think i might look up some old muscio peeps i hung out with years ago and settle some old scores :D
 
It was really called 'Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" and was a tribute by Charles Mingus to the recently deceased Lester Young, who wore a hat of the style known as a 'pork pie'. I expect you knew that though.


well corrected sir! my cousin had a cat called mingus - a great name for a big old lazy cat.
 
yeah chronological is definately the way to go. Think after we've got through this thread, think i might look up some old muscio peeps i hung out with years ago and settle some old scores :D

who was on here talking about jazz drum styles? they were referring to more modern stuff but the introduction of the drums as we know em was quite a shift. the ODJB have a lot of amusing percussion.
 
My Dad's taste is fairly wide though particularly the big band stuff.
He used to go and see various people at Birmingham Town Hall like Erol Garner and I went with him to see Buddy Rich.
I love Billie Holiday and the older stuff too.
 
i have been trying to get into duke ellington etc on my dads say so but i just dont like it. too slick and not either as wild as new orleans stuff or as cool as bebop. brubeck we both like.
 
wow! good one. is it generally agreed the the Original Dixie Jass Band were the 1st to record 'jazz proper'?
 
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