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it was fifty years ago today! who can remember decimal day?

so complicated ! :D


Before decimalization on 15 February 1971, there were twenty (20) shillings per pound.

shilling
The shilling was subdivided into twelve (12) pennies.

The penny was further sub-divided into two halfpennies or four farthings (quarter pennies).



More than a pound (£)

1 guinea and a £5.0.0 note

1 guinea = £1-1s-0d ( £1/1/- ) = one pound and one shilling = 21 shillings or 21/- (which is £1.05 in todays money)

1 guinea could be written as '1g' or '1gn'.

A guinea was considered a more gentlemanly amount than £1. You paid tradesmen, such as a carpenter, in pounds but gentlemen, such as an artist, in guineas.

A third of a guinea equalled exactly seven shillings.


Less than a pound (£)

Shilling and pennies​

"Bob" is slang for shilling (which is 5p in todays money)

shilling
1 shilling equalled twelve pence (12d).

£1 (one pound) equalled 20 shillings (20s or 20/-)

240 pennies ( 240d ) = £1

There were 240 pennies to a pound because originally 240 silver penny coins weighed 1 pound (1lb).

A sum of £3 12s 6d was normally written as £3-12-6, but a sum of 12s 6d was normally recorded as 12/6.

Amounts less than a pound were also written as:

12/6 meaning 12s-6d

10/- meaning ten shillings.

An amount such as 12/6 would be pronounced 'twelve and six' as a more casual form of 'twelve shillings and sixpence'.

More than a Shilling (s. or /- )
Coins of more than one shilling ( 1/- ) but less than £1 in value were:

a florin (a two shillings or 2 bob or 2 bob bit)10 x 2/- = £1
a half-crown ( 2/6d) (2 shillings and 6 pence)8 x 2/6d = £1
a crown (5/-) (five shillings or 5 bob)4 x 5/- = £1
a half-sovereign (ten shillings or 10 bob)2 x 10/- = £1
a half-guinea (10/6d) (10 shillings and 6 pence)2 x 10/6d = £1/1/-

Less than a Shilling (s. or /- )

Other coins of a value less than 1/- were1/- (shilling) =
a half-groat (2d)6 x 2d = 1/-
a threepenny bit (threepence) (3d) made of silver4 x 3d. = 1/-
a groat (4d)
There were four pennies in a groat
3 x 4d = 1/-
a sixpence (silver) often called a 'tanner'2 x 6d = 1/-
a penny (copper) often called a 'copper'12 x 1d = 1/-
The word threepence would often be pronounced as though there was only a single middle "e", therefore "thre-pence". The slang name for the coin was Joey.

Penny coins were referred to as 'coppers'

Less than a penny (d)
Pennies were broken down into other coins:

a farthing= ¼ of a penny (1/4d)
a halfpenny
(pronounced 'hay-p'ny')
= ½ of a penny (1/2d)
farthing
halfpenny

Farthing
Diameter : 20.0 mm ; Weight : 2.8 grams

Half Penny
Diameter : 25.0 mm ; Weight : 5.7 grams

Other names for coins
A shilling was often called a 'bob'.
"It cost me four bob."

Five shilling piece or crown was sometimes called a dollar

sixpence (silver) - often called a 'tanner'

A penny was often called a 'copper' after the metal it was minted from.

Old money conversions to money used today

  • Sixpence - 2½p
  • One shilling (or 'bob') - 5p
  • Half a crown (2 shillings and sixpence) - 12½p
  • One guinea - £1.05

" A guinea was considered a more gentlemanly amount than £1. You paid tradesmen, such as a carpenter, in pounds but gentlemen, such as an artist, in guineas. "

:facepalm:
 
Weirdly, I remember that film of those women kicking off when it was first shown. I’m having a bizarre vertiginous timey wimey feeling of time telescoping and shrinking. Wow.

I’m off down the shop with ten new pence to buy a Mars bar, a can of Top Deck and a packet of crisps.

I remember a feature on the local news. A village near Winchester called Sixpenny Handley was now done for! I thought it was daft. It had now increased in value from a tanner to approximately one shilling and tuppence!
 
I was born in 74, but it will have been some years after that, that I remember a card in our house, about the size of a credit card that changed what you saw if you angled it differently in light. So it would convert amounts from 'old money' to 'new'
As if you're in your mid-late forties! :eek:
 
" A guinea was considered a more gentlemanly amount than £1. You paid tradesmen, such as a carpenter, in pounds but gentlemen, such as an artist, in guineas. "

:facepalm:
I laughed at that bit.

Does anyone know if there was an actual coin or note for a guinea?

Pretty sure we never had one in our house, so obviously my Dad was a tradesman rather than a gentleman.
 
Were they completely phased out in 1968, or was that when they stopped printing them? I remember them very vividly and I would have only been 8 in 1968. Also, "Mean Mr. Mustard" by the Beatles was recorded in 1969 and includes the line "sticks a ten bob note up his nose" which suggests that, even though they might not have been legal tender any more, they still had possible nefarious other uses.
The Beatles were old. They were being nostalgic about ten non notes.
 
I don't remember using the old stuff (I was 4 when it changed) but I remember seeing the old coins around the house. Mum had a jar of thrupenny bits. The old shilling coin stayed in circulation as a 5p coin and the 2 shilling coin (florin) became 10p so they were still around until the 90s.
 
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I laughed at that bit.

Does anyone know if there was an actual coin or note for a guinea?

Pretty sure we never had one in our house, so obviously my Dad was a tradesman rather than a gentleman.

No, there wasn´t by 1971, although I suspect there may have been in Victorian times or earlier. A guinea was not really part of everyday life, and was only really used in auctions.
 
Really expensive toys, like a train set or a chemistry set, would be priced in shillings, even though they cost more than a pound. 72 shillings. Or 93 and 6. So you'd have to divide by 20 in your head.
 
so complicated ! :D


Before decimalization on 15 February 1971, there were twenty (20) shillings per pound.

shilling
The shilling was subdivided into twelve (12) pennies.

The penny was further sub-divided into two halfpennies or four farthings (quarter pennies).



More than a pound (£)

1 guinea and a £5.0.0 note

1 guinea = £1-1s-0d ( £1/1/- ) = one pound and one shilling = 21 shillings or 21/- (which is £1.05 in todays money)

1 guinea could be written as '1g' or '1gn'.

A guinea was considered a more gentlemanly amount than £1. You paid tradesmen, such as a carpenter, in pounds but gentlemen, such as an artist, in guineas.

A third of a guinea equalled exactly seven shillings.


Less than a pound (£)

Shilling and pennies​

"Bob" is slang for shilling (which is 5p in todays money)

shilling
1 shilling equalled twelve pence (12d).

£1 (one pound) equalled 20 shillings (20s or 20/-)

240 pennies ( 240d ) = £1

There were 240 pennies to a pound because originally 240 silver penny coins weighed 1 pound (1lb).

A sum of £3 12s 6d was normally written as £3-12-6, but a sum of 12s 6d was normally recorded as 12/6.

Amounts less than a pound were also written as:

12/6 meaning 12s-6d

10/- meaning ten shillings.

An amount such as 12/6 would be pronounced 'twelve and six' as a more casual form of 'twelve shillings and sixpence'.

More than a Shilling (s. or /- )
Coins of more than one shilling ( 1/- ) but less than £1 in value were:

a florin (a two shillings or 2 bob or 2 bob bit)10 x 2/- = £1
a half-crown ( 2/6d) (2 shillings and 6 pence)8 x 2/6d = £1
a crown (5/-) (five shillings or 5 bob)4 x 5/- = £1
a half-sovereign (ten shillings or 10 bob)2 x 10/- = £1
a half-guinea (10/6d) (10 shillings and 6 pence)2 x 10/6d = £1/1/-

Less than a Shilling (s. or /- )

Other coins of a value less than 1/- were1/- (shilling) =
a half-groat (2d)6 x 2d = 1/-
a threepenny bit (threepence) (3d) made of silver4 x 3d. = 1/-
a groat (4d)
There were four pennies in a groat
3 x 4d = 1/-
a sixpence (silver) often called a 'tanner'2 x 6d = 1/-
a penny (copper) often called a 'copper'12 x 1d = 1/-
The word threepence would often be pronounced as though there was only a single middle "e", therefore "thre-pence". The slang name for the coin was Joey.

Penny coins were referred to as 'coppers'

Less than a penny (d)
Pennies were broken down into other coins:

a farthing= ¼ of a penny (1/4d)
a halfpenny
(pronounced 'hay-p'ny')
= ½ of a penny (1/2d)
farthing
halfpenny

Farthing
Diameter : 20.0 mm ; Weight : 2.8 grams

Half Penny
Diameter : 25.0 mm ; Weight : 5.7 grams

Other names for coins
A shilling was often called a 'bob'.
"It cost me four bob."

Five shilling piece or crown was sometimes called a dollar

sixpence (silver) - often called a 'tanner'

A penny was often called a 'copper' after the metal it was minted from.

Old money conversions to money used today

  • Sixpence - 2½p
  • One shilling (or 'bob') - 5p
  • Half a crown (2 shillings and sixpence) - 12½p
  • One guinea - £1.05
I see your old money and raise you old distances
1 Acre = 43,560 square feet
1 Acre = 160 square rods
1 Acre = 1.1834 square arpents
1 Acre = 10 square chains
1 Acre = 160 square rods
1 Acre = 160 perches
1 Acre = 160 poles
1 Acre = .4047 hectare
1 Acre = 4047 square meters
1 Acre = is about 208 3/4 feet square
1 Acre Square = 5645.376 square varas
Arpen measurements vary by locality:
1 Arpent (in LA, MS, AL, FL) = .84625 of an acre
1 Arpent Square (in LA, MS, AL, FL) = 191.994 feet or 2.909 chains on each side
1 Arpent (AR and MO) = .8507 of an acre
1 Arpent Square (AR and MO) = 192.5 feet or 2.91667 chains on each side
1 Caballeria (Texas-Spanish) = 108 acres
1 Centimeter = .3937 inches
1 Centimeter = .032808 feet
1 Chain = 66 feet
1 Chain = 4 rods
1 Chain = 4 perches
1 Chain = 4 poles
1 Chain = 100 links
1 Chain = 20.1168 meters
1 Foot = 12 inches
1 Foot = .36 varas
1 Furlong = 660 feet
1 Furlong = 40 rods
1 Foot = 0.3048006 meter
1 Hectare = 10,000 square meters
1 Hectare = 2.471 acres
1 Inch = .0254 meter
1 Kilometer = 3280.83 feet
1 Kilometer = .62 mile
1 Knot = 6080.2 feet
1 Labor (Texas-Spanish)= 1,000,000 square varas
1 Labor = 177.136 acres
1 League (Texas-Spanish) = 25,000,000 square varas
1 League = 4428.4 acres
1 Link = 7.92 inches
1 Link = .66 feet
1 Link = .2017 meter
1 Meter = 3.280833 feet
1 Meter = 39.37 inches
1 Meter Square = 10.764 square feet
1 Mile = 5,280 feet
1 Mile = 8 furlongs
1 Mile = 320 rods
1 Mile = 80 chains
1 Mile = 1.60935 kilometers
1 Mile = 320 perches
1 Mile = 320 poles
1 Mile = 8000 links
1 Mile = 1,609.2655 meters
1 Mile Square = a regular Section of land
1 Mile Square = 27,878,400 square feet
1 Mile Square = 640 acres
1 Mile Square = 259 hectares
1 Mile Square = 2.59 square hectares
1 Perch = 25 links
1 Perch = 1 pole
1 Perch = 1 rod
1 Perch = 16.5 feet
1 Pole = 16.5 feet
1 Pole = 1 perch
1 Pole = 1 Rod
1 Rod = 1 pole
1 Rod = 1 perch
1 Rod = 16.5 feet
1 Section = 1 mile long, by 1 mile wide
1 Section = 640 acres
1 Sitio (Texas-Spanish)= 1 league
1 Township = 6 miles long, by 6 miles wide
1 Township = 36 sections
1 Township = 36 square miles
Vara Measurements differ by locality:
1 Vara (Texas-Spanish) = 33 1/3 inches
1 Vara (Southern Colorado) 32.993 inches
1 Vara (Florida) 33.372 inches
1 Yard = 36 inches
1 Yard = 3 feet
1 Yard Square = 9 square feet

Eta: With a cricket pitch of course being a chain.
 
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No, there wasn´t by 1971, although I suspect there may have been in Victorian times or earlier. A guinea was not really part of everyday life, and was only really used in auctions.
I think the only place I've ever come across guineas is in Dickens.
 
I wasn't born til the May after decimalisation so don't remember seeing any old money in circulation. The odd coin, presented to me to marvel at, seemed no more part of me or my history than a drachma or a Roman coin.

I remember my stepdad regularly transferring the names of old money into the closest equivalent he could think of, so I'd regularly be given "two Bob" pocket money instead of ten pence, or "two and six" to spend at the baths after a swim, etc. He also always took ages to sort loose change out when paying for something in a shop - I wonder if he was having trouble figuring out what it all was? (This is when I was littleish, I presume he'd got it sorted by the time say I left at 18).
 
Shillings and florins still circulated until the late 1980s, and there were occasionally auld money does at pubs where you could buy pints at auld pre-decimal prices with auld coins
 
so complicated ! :D


Before decimalization on 15 February 1971, there were twenty (20) shillings per pound.

shilling
The shilling was subdivided into twelve (12) pennies.

The penny was further sub-divided into two halfpennies or four farthings (quarter pennies).



More than a pound (£)

1 guinea and a £5.0.0 note

1 guinea = £1-1s-0d ( £1/1/- ) = one pound and one shilling = 21 shillings or 21/- (which is £1.05 in todays money)

1 guinea could be written as '1g' or '1gn'.

A guinea was considered a more gentlemanly amount than £1. You paid tradesmen, such as a carpenter, in pounds but gentlemen, such as an artist, in guineas.

A third of a guinea equalled exactly seven shillings.


Less than a pound (£)

Shilling and pennies​

"Bob" is slang for shilling (which is 5p in todays money)

shilling
1 shilling equalled twelve pence (12d).

£1 (one pound) equalled 20 shillings (20s or 20/-)

240 pennies ( 240d ) = £1

There were 240 pennies to a pound because originally 240 silver penny coins weighed 1 pound (1lb).

A sum of £3 12s 6d was normally written as £3-12-6, but a sum of 12s 6d was normally recorded as 12/6.

Amounts less than a pound were also written as:

12/6 meaning 12s-6d

10/- meaning ten shillings.

An amount such as 12/6 would be pronounced 'twelve and six' as a more casual form of 'twelve shillings and sixpence'.

More than a Shilling (s. or /- )
Coins of more than one shilling ( 1/- ) but less than £1 in value were:

a florin (a two shillings or 2 bob or 2 bob bit)10 x 2/- = £1
a half-crown ( 2/6d) (2 shillings and 6 pence)8 x 2/6d = £1
a crown (5/-) (five shillings or 5 bob)4 x 5/- = £1
a half-sovereign (ten shillings or 10 bob)2 x 10/- = £1
a half-guinea (10/6d) (10 shillings and 6 pence)2 x 10/6d = £1/1/-

Less than a Shilling (s. or /- )

Other coins of a value less than 1/- were1/- (shilling) =
a half-groat (2d)6 x 2d = 1/-
a threepenny bit (threepence) (3d) made of silver4 x 3d. = 1/-
a groat (4d)
There were four pennies in a groat
3 x 4d = 1/-
a sixpence (silver) often called a 'tanner'2 x 6d = 1/-
a penny (copper) often called a 'copper'12 x 1d = 1/-
The word threepence would often be pronounced as though there was only a single middle "e", therefore "thre-pence". The slang name for the coin was Joey.

Penny coins were referred to as 'coppers'

Less than a penny (d)
Pennies were broken down into other coins:

a farthing= ¼ of a penny (1/4d)
a halfpenny
(pronounced 'hay-p'ny')
= ½ of a penny (1/2d)
farthing
halfpenny

Farthing
Diameter : 20.0 mm ; Weight : 2.8 grams

Half Penny
Diameter : 25.0 mm ; Weight : 5.7 grams

Other names for coins
A shilling was often called a 'bob'.
"It cost me four bob."

Five shilling piece or crown was sometimes called a dollar

sixpence (silver) - often called a 'tanner'

A penny was often called a 'copper' after the metal it was minted from.

Old money conversions to money used today

  • Sixpence - 2½p
  • One shilling (or 'bob') - 5p
  • Half a crown (2 shillings and sixpence) - 12½p
  • One guinea - £1.05
Wow. That is utterly bonkers!

I'd never heard of tanners, and had no idea how the other denominations were subdivided. I still don't, having read that :D
 
The old shilling coin stayed in circulation as a 5p coin and the 2 shilling coin (florin) became 10p so they were still around until the 90s.

And the old sixpences were still in circulation (worth 2 1/2 new pence) until 1980 - although they weren't that common and if i remember right weren't that popular if you tried to spend them...
 
Us kids loved it when decimalisation happened as it was much more logical and simple. The older folks moaned about it though.
I remember having a woodwork teacher who was keen on the old system because (he said) it was easier to divide a sum of money into equal parts to split between a number of people.

You can divide a pre-decimal pound into three lots of 6 shillings and 8 pence, but you can't divide a decimal one in the same way.
 
Half crowns were nice, too. Made of silver until 1946 (not sure when the rest stopped being silver) .
 
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