Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

[Orang Utan]

The Man is going to tell everyone that racism is now solved

 

[belboid]

Multiple sources saying 12.5 is the minimum, but the state will ask for more.

12.5 is the presumption but it can be increased or decreased depending upon mitigating and aggravating factors. The defence will claim no priors and fear of the crowd (I imagine).

They’ll lose and I’d be expecting 20+

 

[Yossarian]

Can he (i fucking hope not) appeal? IOW, can he and his tie this up in the courts for years?

Not only can he appeal, the judge said after closing arguments Monday that he had likely grounds to appeal based on comments about the trial from Democratic lawmakers.

 

[DaveCinzano]

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Apparently Nancy Pelosi has thanked George Floyd for 'sacrifing his life for justice' in a statement on the verdict.

What an awful fucking thing to say.

 

[brogdale]

Are the other cops involved accessories to murder?

 

[Ax^]

few trails in august

hopefully not the only person to be charged

all blamed on one bad apple ,

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Are the other cops involved accessories to murder?

The other officers are going to be tried separately. They were originally all going to be tried together, but then the trials were separated.

 

[bendeus]

Chauvin is going to have a very, very bad time in gaol. Presumably there are special wings to house the likes of an ex cop who slowly murdered a black man without compunction but even then I'd imagine he'll be spending a lot of his waking hours looking over his shoulder

 

[Yossarian]

Chauvin is going to have a very, very bad time in gaol. Presumably there are special wings to house the likes of an ex cop who slowly murdered a black man without compunction but even then I'd imagine he'll be spending a lot of his waking hours looking over his shoulder

He'll be protected by a lot of white guards who probably think he didn't do anything wrong and doesn't deserve to be in prison so I think he might have an easier time than most inmates - when he was first jailed last May, the superintendent ordered that only white employees were allowed to guard him.

Jail Only Allowed White Staff to Guard Ex-Officer Charged With Killing George Floyd (Published 2020)

Eight correctional officers said people of color who work in the jail were initially moved away from Derek Chauvin, the officer accused of killing George Floyd.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Ax^]

wait what the fuck

 

[hitmouse]

Meanwhile in Ohio:

Teen girl killed in police shooting in southeast Columbus, police release body-cam video

The Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation is investigating a fatal police shooting in southeast Columbus. Family members have identified the victim as Ma’Khia Bryant. Bryant was under the care of Franklin County Children Services. *Disclaimer: This is raw, unedited video provided by the Columbus...

myfox28columbus.com

The Columbus Division of Police is investigating an officer-involved shooting that left one person dead.

No further information was provided.

Following the shooting, a crowd gathered at the scene upset at police. Many were saying "enough is enough" and were asking if the officers involved were wearing body cameras.

According to a local reporter:

"Family tells us the person who was fatally shot by @ColumbusPolice was 15 year-old Makiah Bryant. They say she called cops for help because girls were fighting outside her house."

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Good news on the verdict, but no doubt the appeal will drag on for god knows how long.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I mean, surely manslaughter is the lesser charge they could use compared to murder, which would be the standard charge most people would get if they shot someone to death? Like, it'd be a hell of a loophole if anyone can just shoot someone and say "oh sorry I didn't realise I had a gun in my hand, and so no crime was committed".

If you're British filth you just have to not realise that the guy you kill doesn't have a gun.

 

[SpookyFrank]

He'll be protected by a lot of white guards who probably think he didn't do anything wrong and doesn't deserve to be in prison so I think he might have an easier time than most inmates - when he was first jailed last May, the superintendent ordered that only white employees were allowed to guard him.

Jail Only Allowed White Staff to Guard Ex-Officer Charged With Killing George Floyd (Published 2020)

Eight correctional officers said people of color who work in the jail were initially moved away from Derek Chauvin, the officer accused of killing George Floyd.

www.nytimes.com

If nothing else this would seem to suggest that the prison boss can't trust his staff not to abuse inmates, which you'd think would be something he should address.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

wait what the fuck

US prisons are strictly racial, whites, blacks, Hispanics and with very, very few exceptions you only associate with your own kind. It’s a shocking system that has been allowed to develop and has given rise to incredibly powerful prison gangs who control a lot of the crime on the streets. Like a lot of things in the country it is truly fucked and pretty much impossible to fix. Chauvin will be protected by the guards and I don’t suppose the Aryan Brotherhood will mind too much that he’s an ex-cop.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

They reckon up to 40 years combined on what I am watching right now. If the aggravating factors come into it and the judge decides they are relevant these will crank the sentence up to 40. Two Thirds behind bars and 1/3 on supervised parole.

Oh - do they run concurrently!? Or the other one where they add them together (I forget).

Hmm, seems that he can receive a separate sentence for each count he was found guilty of and that these can and often are to be served consecutively, meaning up to 75 years, which would of course mean death. In the U.K. you get convicted of the highest crime then the rest are dropped, or if there are additional crimes such as murder plus preventing lawful burial or handgun possession, the sentences for these are concurrent with your life sentence for the murder. The US likes big numbers.

 

[NoXion]

US prisons are strictly racial, whites, blacks, Hispanics and with very, very few exceptions you only associate with your own kind. It’s a shocking system that has been allowed to develop and has given rise to incredibly powerful prison gangs who control a lot of the crime on the streets. Like a lot of things in the country it is truly fucked and pretty much impossible to fix. Chauvin will be protected by the guards and I don’t suppose the Aryan Brotherhood will mind too much that he’s an ex-cop.

And for some bonkers reason they're all allowed heavy enough exercise equipment that some prisoners are bigger than the guards (I also wonder what the hell they're eating; other prisoners' rations?!). That's always seemed so fucking crazy to me; it's one thing to allow convicts to exercise, but it's quite another to let them bulk up into Mr frigging Universe. Why can't they just do push ups and jog around the yard?

 

[hitmouse]

US prisons are strictly racial, whites, blacks, Hispanics and with very, very few exceptions you only associate with your own kind. It’s a shocking system that has been allowed to develop and has given rise to incredibly powerful prison gangs who control a lot of the crime on the streets. Like a lot of things in the country it is truly fucked and pretty much impossible to fix. Chauvin will be protected by the guards and I don’t suppose the Aryan Brotherhood will mind too much that he’s an ex-cop.

Did you ever hear the story of the California hunger strikes? It's one of those stories that feels like a real-life Hollywood story or something - prisoners who were kept in total solitary confinement, and then to double down on their isolation, they were kept on a mixed corridor, with the assumption that even if they could communicate, white, Black and Hispanic prisoners would have nothing to say to each other. Over an extended period of time, this backfired, and led to them starting a series of mass hunger strikes involving thousands of people which crossed racial lines after some of them read a book about Bobby Sands.

 

[hitmouse]

The Makiah Bryant shooting has made the Telegraph now: Black teenage girl in Ohio 'shot dead by police' as Derek Chauvin jury returns verdict

A black teenage girl was shot dead by police in Ohio on Tuesday minutes after a guilty verdict was returned in the case of the officer who killed George Floyd.
Officers were responding to a call on Legion Lane in the city of Columbus when police shot the girl, who was named locally as 16-year-old Makiah Bryant.
Police later released body camera footage showing an officer shooting the victim, who was holding a knife and was poised to attack another girl.
Police Chief Michael Woods, who called a late-night press conference, said they took the unprecedented step of releasing the footage within hours of the incident as the force wanted to provide some answers for what exactly happened, with America on edge after the trial of former police officer Derek Chauvin.
A video taken by a witnesses circulated on social media which appeared to show a victim wearing jeans and trainers lying motionless on the ground as a police officer stood nearby. Witnesses say the girl was shot in the chest.
Crowds gathered near the scene shortly after the shooting, which occurred around 4.45pm, and began shouting “no racist police” and "enough is enough" at officers gathered.
In another video broadcast from the scene, one of the officers yells back: "Blue lives matter".
“She was a good kid. She was loving,” Hazel Bryant, who said the child was her niece, told reporters. She said the girl lived in a foster home and had got into a fight with someone else at the home. “She was 15 years old. She didn’t deserve to die like a dog in the street,” she said.
Ms Bryant said police saw a knife on the ground near the girl’s body that an officer had shot the teenager four times. It was not immediately clear if the knife was the victim's.
The 911 call that brought police to the scene had reportedly cited an attempted stabbing.
Columbus Mayor Andrew Ginther urged for calm. He tweeted: “This afternoon a young woman tragically lost her life. We do not know all of the details. There is body-worn camera footage of the incident. We are working to review it as soon as possible.
“We will share information that we can as soon as it becomes available. I’m asking for residents to remain calm and allow (investigators) to gather the facts.”
The country has been on edge watching the trial of former police officer Derek Chauvin, who was found guilty on Tuesday afternoon of murdering Mr Floyd by kneeling on the 46-year-old black man’s neck until he was no longer breathing.
Mr Floyd's death sparked protests around the world, including in Columbus.

 

[extra dry]

The Makiah Bryant shooting has made the Telegraph now: Black teenage girl in Ohio 'shot dead by police' as Derek Chauvin jury returns verdict

Just saw the video of that situation, very tough call. The girl who was shot was in the motion/act of stabbing/trying to kill another person.

16 Year Old Girl Shot By Columbus PD JUSTIFIED! - YouTube

 

[brogdale]

Just saw the video of that situation, very tough call. The girl who was shot was in the motion/act of stabbing/trying to kill another person.

16 Year Old Girl Shot By Columbus PD JUSTIFIED! - YouTube

Yes, it's quite clear why the Police were so quick to put the body cam footage out there.
I suppose the question remains; what no-lethal options to stopping the stabbing were open to the cop in that very fast moving situation?
How would a UK cop without a gun have dealt with it?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

How would a UK cop without a gun have dealt with it?

If a UK cop had a gun they would most likely have shot her too.

What I can't hear on that film is any cop shouting to drop the knife, hands up, etc. UK pigs do a lot of shouting when guns or tazers are drawn. But with one person lunging at another with a knife, if a UK cop happened to be armed then they would probably have shot.

Of course the chance of a UK cop turning up and being armed is slim.

 

[platinumsage]

Yes, it's quite clear why the Police were so quick to put the body cam footage out there.
I suppose the question remains; what no-lethal options to stopping the stabbing were open to the cop in that very fast moving situation?
How would a UK cop without a gun have dealt with it?

None. Tasers are only effective around 50% of the time, and with so many gun carriers in the US, police procedures generally require that they're only used to try and stop deadly force when the perpetrator is covered by a second officer with a gun.

A UK cop would not have been able to stop the girl in pink being fatally stabbed. There was about 3 seconds to react and deploy a weapon. Neither a baton nor pepper spray would have been effective.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes, it's quite clear why the Police were so quick to put the body cam footage out there.
I suppose the question remains; what no-lethal options to stopping the stabbing were open to the cop in that very fast moving situation?
How would a UK cop without a gun have dealt with it?

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[Cid]

And for some bonkers reason they're all allowed heavy enough exercise equipment that some prisoners are bigger than the guards (I also wonder what the hell they're eating; other prisoners' rations?!). That's always seemed so fucking crazy to me; it's one thing to allow convicts to exercise, but it's quite another to let them bulk up into Mr frigging Universe. Why can't they just do push ups and jog around the yard?

I don’t think good provision for prisoner exercise and nutrition is the main problem here tbh.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Given the Floyd/Chauvin verdict, I went back to some old social media stuff from the time of the murder.
Make no mistake, the amount of people falling over themselves to find excuses was rife. Never forget it, despite how couched it often is in a concern for principles of justice that can seem rather posturing.

A lot of folk genuinely don't think asphyxiating black people should be that big a deal.

 

[NoXion]

I don’t think good provision for prisoner exercise and nutrition is the main problem here tbh.

I think there's a significant difference between "good provision" and "are you on steroids mate".

 

[Cid]

I think there's a significant difference between "good provision" and "are you on steroids mate".

Right, but the problem isn’t that prisoners get food, and have exercise equipment. The fact that it’s easy to smuggle in steroids (and other drugs) is something of a problem. But even that is just a symptom of the wider total fucked upness of the US prison system.

 

[NoXion]

Right, but the problem isn’t that prisoners get food, and have exercise equipment.

Good. Then we agree. Food and exercise in general is necessary, but not to excess.