Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
but there isn't nearly 20 years between those two sets of figures.
Inside HMP Belmarsh
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...472/proven-reoffending-apr09-mar10-tables.xls (proven reoffending tables) available at Proven re-offending statistics - January 2009 - March 2011
this seems to me to show a rather lower level of recidivism than you claim above.
Riklet
procrastinación
So what's your solution and can you justify it as cosf effective compared to alternatives being tried elsewhere? Can just about forgive newbie Yogs for spouting Daily Mail comments but you need to do better than that.
Really enjoyed that episode despite the grim and depressing bits. Shame about Charlie Pope fucking it all up too, but he did make that choice.
Also I think anyone would be a bit broken by 10 weeks in solitary... and it's not like TR is Trotsky is it, uniting the prisoners and negotiating with the governor 30 prisoners to a cell or in -20 degree weather. Neither an intellectual heavyweight or a heavyweight in any other area, just chat.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
I was going to "Like" this, as I thought it was satire. But it seems you're actually serious. Have you decamped from the Mail Online, by any chance?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Like mine instead, Liz.
Not satire at all, and yes i have decamped from the mail, online and moved to this forum. I have no sympathies for any person convicted of a crime, why should they be treated with cotton wool, when the victims, familys and the community suffer. Lock them all up and throw away the keys.
If the prison population is overcrowded and bursting at the seams, then ship them of to USA.................
To be honest, i dont give two hoots about rehabilitation and if the system is working. Once you commit a Serious crime and convicted, then thats the end for you. ZERO TOLERANCE is the way forward and i can bet that this will certainly bring down the crimew stats here IMHO.
skyscraper101
0891 50 50 50
I think we should be offering criminals a chance to rehabilitate. Incarceration alone has limited benefits and the evidence from other places suggests that we’d be saving more money and getting less reofffending if we weren’t just locking them up by default and instead putting a focus on rehabilitation, tag monitoring, etc.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Build more prisons.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Luck isn't the reason they are not in a latin american jail tbf, it's mostly because they haven't committed any crimes there I think
Riklet
procrastinación
You can tell someone's come from mail online cos capital letters get inserted in an odd way to make things more factual. An oldskool English approach.Tough on Crime... tough on the Causes of crime!!
Im looking forward to ep2. Pretty shocking how spice is getting in so readily and loads of prisoners are just sitting around getting mashed... guess it's always been a bit like that but still.
While I am fully in favour of a more progressive system and proper rehabilitation, I think there is a strong argument for continuing to deprive persistently violent and dangerous people of their freedom, and this happening within prison until people are actually ready for release. Those guys who started fighting in front of the kids in the visitors room ffs.... yeah I bet their communities want them back.
Im looking forward to ep2. Pretty shocking how spice is getting in so readily and loads of prisoners are just sitting around getting mashed... guess it's always been a bit like that but still.
While I am fully in favour of a more progressive system and proper rehabilitation, I think there is a strong argument for continuing to deprive persistently violent and dangerous people of their freedom, and this happening within prison until people are actually ready for release. Those guys who started fighting in front of the kids in the visitors room ffs.... yeah I bet their communities want them back.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
You'd throw away the key and let rotten to the core scum of the earth Tommy Robinson rot too? I think he'd have probably agreed with your general argument until he got banged up.
How FACTUAL would you prefer?
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
I’m expecting a death penalty arguement from you in about three posts
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
you're a crime
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
Second episode leaves me feeling sad that so many young men are incarcerated with what seems such little hope. Our society is failing people
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
Well this is a measured, thought through and well researched piece of reasoning. Do you think this sort of nonsense makes you look tough or like a big guy or something?
i fully endorse the Death Penalty, as previously stated, "Live by the sword, Die by the sword"
And you R ??????
Why so sad? incarceration is the best form of remedy for these twats, if u cant handle the punishment, then think before doing a crime. Zero Tolerance is the way to go, not giving them sentences and then letting them out on good behaviour,
Not sure what sort of coffee you on this morning? I dont need to look big or act tough. I am an honest and law abiding citizen and i do not have any sympathies for people who are locked up. Thats the problem with our country, its too lenient
Have you never made a mistake in your life? Many people in prison are there because they’ve never been shown the right way to live a life. Surely you must have some sympathy? Charlie and his brothers clearly never stood a chance of living a normal, decent life. They grew up in a house where crime and drugs are the norm. It’s all they know.
kalidarkone
Bringing YOU round.....
Tobyjug?
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
It’s just just sound a bit of a prick
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Bet you’re a nonce
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
America has much harsher sentences and sentencing laws but it doesn’t seem to have helped in an enormous reduction of crime at all. Likewise many other countries have much harder prisons where conditions are extremely poor but they don’t necessarily have low crime rates either. Nobody here is suggesting people don’t take responsibility for their actions but if you can’t be bothered to challenge yourself by having even a cursory look at the research into why people commit crime and what works then there’s no point engaging in a debate with you, is there. You don’t want to think about it, you just want to make sure everyone has heard what you think.
Presumably that applies as much to Stephen "Tommy Robinson" Yaxley-Lennon as to everybody else. Because if you think he was wrongly convicted or given too heavy a sentence then it would be an amazing concidence if he were the only one.
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farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
You sound like a blethering idiot.
