Comparing an area of 3 million with an area of 50 + million isn't comparing like with like either. Whatever the content of Wales's nationhood, I would say that it doesn't contain a distinct political tradition from England (or Scotland necessarily) - particularly when it comes to the Labour movement.Not sure you're comparing like with like there; Wales is a nation like Scotland or Ireland, areas of England aren't.
notice the please? do as you wish
really tiresome and unhelpful comment though
IMO of course
e2a i meant yours not LBJ's
it's not obvious no, tiresome yesNot entirely serious though but I thought that would be obvious.
One of the best books on Wales, The Welsh and Independence:
When was Wales?: A History of the Welsh by Gwyn A. Williams
http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/When_was_Wales.html?id=QUJ0QgAACAAJ
please fuck off with this shit
In the longer term, especially if there's a successful independent Scotland, I can only see support growing.
Us? You're a fucking cockney.I'm hoping the English overcompensate and throw money at us like a new stepdad trying to buy our affection if the Scots scarper :thumbs :
Though I would be a 'No', a 'Yes' vote in Scotland could put Wales in a potentially difficult situation within what would remain of the union - population of the UK's celtic fringe halves overnight, and Wales and NI (whose protestants would presumably have their own crisis to deal with) squeezed in with the much much larger England with over 90% of the population and resources.
True enough. Those are not the noises coming from the Plaid mps quoted in the OP, though.There are plenty of English people in the Scottish Yes campaign. I think it's entirely possible to have a Welsh Independence Movement that embraces the English history of migration into Wales, and the Somali, Maltese, Pakistani, Italian etc too
please can you stop thisTrue enough. Those are not the noises coming from the Plaid mps quoted in the OP, though.
Wales will be denied use of the Severn Tunnel and the Forest of Dean shall become a DMZplease can you stop this
Plaid are inclusive and socialist
you'll of course disagree but i think you are making this thread very negative already
what is wrong with independence? you'll still be able to get on the same train and visit from London won't you
True enough. Those are not the noises coming from the Plaid mps quoted in the OP, though.
It's sadly a common (non) argument to put down the Welsh.If Belgium can be a independent nation (which is smaller than Wales but has 5 times the population) why can't Wales?
This argument that Wales isn't financially viable as a nation frankly baffles me.
If Belgium can be a independent nation (which is smaller than Wales but has 5 times the population) why can't Wales?
This argument that Wales isn't financially viable as a nation frankly baffles me.
It's viable, but we'd be worst off financially if we left the Union.
Culturally, I think South Wales has more in common with Southwest England than it has with North Wales.I'm English, but lived in Wales a good 25 years. I'm unlikely to ever vote for Plaid but I'd vote for independence. Its clearly a separate country with most folks here sharing some sort of cultural identity as Welsh rather than British.
That it would improve our lives in any clear way is questionable, but fuck the union
Again I don't understand why people think that. You'd not have to pay for the tumor of London. You would have a rough couple of years, may lose your free prescription sop, but I really don't understand why a independent Wales wouldn't be viable.
It's sadly a common (non) argument to put down the Welsh.