By the time the serious construction will have started the Brexit bonus will have kicked in and we'll be able to pay for it with the loose change we have knocking around. Of course the downside is everyone will be multi millionaires and employ chauffeurs.
HS2 high-speed London-Birmingham route rail project - discussion
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BigTom
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Don't be so silly
Catapults have neither the load capacity nor the throwing ability to "transport" freight around the world. What you need is trebuchets.I tell you what you're not wrong about the construction market not doing just in time. As anyone who's ever worked in it will know its always required 2 weeks ago.
Seriously though vast elements of the construction industry operates on just in time. It has to because so many of the materials are very bulky and you would need vast amounts of storage otherwise. Sites themselves usually have no storage. Merchants will only carry a bare amount of stock and most of their sales will be a paper exercise. Manufacturers (like the one I work for) have spent millions on their just in time strategy. Our products are so bulky that we'd need several football pitches of storage otherwise.
Also its not just storage. What sort of company wants to have that much capital tied up in stock? Remember in business cash flow is king, its the old lack of profit is like a cancer but cash flow is a heart attack.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Considering we've got 'smart motorways' murdering people already I can't see this idea catching on.
Having been on a canal boat holiday I note that there are quite a lot of locks and the vast majority are manual. Also there are these things called steps which might slow the progress of freight somewhat. I'd like to see a company logistics team align their just in time approach with these...
Project fear, why don’t people like you believe in Britain ?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Forward to the 18th century.
AnandLeo
Tipple Ripple
Britain in talks with China over role in building HS2
China is financing in loans, and building railways in Africa. However, they are not comparable with a project like HS2. If China claims to build the HS 2 faster, that run faster trains, and cheaper than the government forecasts, there might be a deal. However, this bid is a pragmatic compromise from the finance, build, and operate, venture I envisioned. I hope it is a good omen for a fully extended HS2.
Why China can build high-speed rail so cheaply - Sectors - GCR
China is financing in loans, and building railways in Africa. However, they are not comparable with a project like HS2. If China claims to build the HS 2 faster, that run faster trains, and cheaper than the government forecasts, there might be a deal. However, this bid is a pragmatic compromise from the finance, build, and operate, venture I envisioned. I hope it is a good omen for a fully extended HS2.
Why China can build high-speed rail so cheaply - Sectors - GCR
Fucking rumbled, ruined my naughty post
Anyway, rather than rebalancing the UK economy all HS2 will do is get all the good stuff to London 20 mins faster
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I think it’s worth noting that ‘frictionless’ and ‘just in time‘ (and any other flavour you like) are not incompatible with customs checks, the stage is just factored into the procurement timeline. If the customs checks are predictable and efficient they should really have little or no detrimental effect. Unpredictable customs checks obviously make it much harder as is true of any step in the process. Of course it is adding in another party in the process which isn’t ideal, especially as neither the supplier nor customer has much leverage on them.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
I used to played the song, when I did the over night show on the radio, back in Ireland during the early 80s.
editor
hiraethified
T'was fake news after all
editor
hiraethified
It's been approved. looks great too.
‘Confident and contemporary’ Curzon Street HS2 station approved
Curzon Street station UK: Birmingham City Council granted planning permission for the Curzon Street High Speed 2 station on April 23. Invitations to tender for the construction contract are to be issued this summer. The council's report said the design developed ...
www.railwaygazette.com
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
It's been approved. looks great too.
‘Confident and contemporary’ Curzon Street HS2 station approved
Curzon Street station UK: Birmingham City Council granted planning permission for the Curzon Street High Speed 2 station on April 23. Invitations to tender for the construction contract are to be issued this summer. The council's report said the design developed ...
TBF it looks like someone has copied Montpellier Saint-Roch, made it a bit wider but left out the charming bits.
editor
hiraethified
It's a monster!
"The station will have 14 platforms, a mix of six high-speed and eight conventional platforms, with a 850m long station box, and will be the largest brand new station ever built in the UK."
Old Oak Common’s “super-hub” station for HS2 approved
The huge new station that will link HS2 with the Elizabeth line and mainline rail services at Old Oak Common has received official planning approval.
www.ianvisits.co.uk
And we're all systems go: First pictures of giant HS2 tunnelling machines
Whatever you think about its affordability or worthwhileness you have to admit its going to be a pretty cool project. Maybe less so if it's ploughing through where your house used to be or spoiling the view from your country estate.
Whatever you think about its affordability or worthwhileness you have to admit its going to be a pretty cool project. Maybe less so if it's ploughing through where your house used to be or spoiling the view from your country estate.
stolinski
new but not new
Just blaming it on NIMBIES doesn't work any more, it's going to cost over £100 billion of our money!! We could spend that on so many other things...
If exploratory drilling caused Shardeloes Lake to turn white I dread to think what this tunnel going underneath it will do. HS2 were cleared of any wrong-doing by the Environmental Agency but that's doesn't comfort me much...
HS2 contractors cleared of wrongdoing at Chilterns site | New Civil Engineer
Inspectors from the Environment Agency visited the site on Saturday, following local complaints that the water had been polluted by HS2 contractors
www.newcivilengineer.com
stolinski
new but not new
farewell to another desolate rave zone, went to some good ones round there
Who's doing that then?
stolinski
new but not new
you are when you said "Maybe less so if it's ploughing through where your house used to be or spoiling the view from your country estate"
stolinski
new but not new
i think this article makes some good points - HS2- high speed high tension
No I'm not, you seem to be inferring things that are not there.. I was quite clearly stating even if you disagree with it as a worthwhile project a lot of people would think its pretty cool from an engineering perspective though maybe less so for people if their view of it is coloured by the personal impact it is having on them.
My views on the project are all over this thread and also full disclosure that I have skin in the game. None of it is to do with nimbyism (your word). Regardless of this I think, like Brexit its happening whether we like it or not.
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teuchter
je suis teuchter
I don't think it is very well written or researched. It contains a lot things like "apparently" and "I was told that" and "I did see tweets that" and "I also heard that the purchase money will only be paid on completion of the project, I hope that is just a wild rumour but".
stolinski
new but not new
what would you recommend to read? i'm interested
stolinski
new but not new
we'll see what happens with the chilterns tunnel, i am extremely concerned that will not end well
stolinski
new but not new
maybe look it up
Oh dear. You seem nice if a little angry for a Friday in August.
In what way? What is your concern with it? I've declared my interest, what's yours? Would I be wrong to think its ploughing through very close to where you live?
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stolinski
new but not new
LOL yes you would be wrong to think I live anywhere near haha let's just leave the NIMBYs to do their thing alright? My concern is that we are ten years in, it's gonna cost over 100 billion and I really don't know who will use it. The review should have scrapped it but it was chaired by the former head of HS2, which is a joke. A lawyer was telling me yesterday there are various criminal charges such as malfeasance and fraud which should be laid at the door of HS2 and we already had the Carillion scandal. So my concern is that my tax dollars are being wasted and I also don't like ancient oak trees being demolished to make way for a temporary road (leamington) - that seems like exceptionally bad engineering to me.
As regards the chiltern tunnel, you may or may not know that recently HS2 did exploratory drilling at Shardeloes Lake near Old Amersham in Buckinghamshire, which resulted in the lake turning white (from chalk). Now the Environmental Agency may have said this was nothing to do with the drilling but I would dispute that. If drilling boreholes does that then I am very concerned what building a tunnel underneath the lake will do. There are also streams running white in Denham by the way thanks to HS2 work and the concern there is that there is a freshwater aquifer supplying drinking water that might be contaminated.
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