Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
Yeah, I thought that when I was writing it, but two wrongs don't make a right and all that.
How the Middle Class Ruined Britain - BBC2
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greenfield
Former lurker
I found him irritating as fuck. You were the only family with a telephone on your estate in the 80s. Really??
His exaggerated 'my old man's a dustman' accent simply wasnt the same as his old neighbour who quite rightfully told him his comedy routine wasn't up to much either.
There's a lot to be made about smug Guardianistas and gentrification but this wasn't it.
His exaggerated 'my old man's a dustman' accent simply wasnt the same as his old neighbour who quite rightfully told him his comedy routine wasn't up to much either.
There's a lot to be made about smug Guardianistas and gentrification but this wasn't it.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
I thought the programme was hit and miss. I liked a lot the focus on politics and the media and a rare spotlight being shone on the practical operation of social and cultural capital, particularly in respect of the subtle but ever present and reinforcing way it operates and its ability to wipe away it's own footprints.
Less enjoyable was his attempt a comedy which I didn't find offensive, just unfunny. The contrived scenes with the woke NUS gang was toe curling stuff.
Less enjoyable was his attempt a comedy which I didn't find offensive, just unfunny. The contrived scenes with the woke NUS gang was toe curling stuff.
David Cameron (remember him?) and Boris Johnson walk into a pub. There are ten cakes, or beers or something, on the table. They take all of them, then toss one cake (this wouldn't work with beer) to a middle class person. Then they turn to a working class person and say 'That chap's got your cake.' (The middle class person was a man; the working class person's sex/gender is left undisclosed.)
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
That's a fairly obvious economic point - one often made by members of the middle class to emphasise its own interests and to highlight its collapsing economic capital.
But it also erases the profound differences that exist from competing and conflicting cultures. Middle-class culture, with its achievement orientation, emphasises “doing and becoming,” while working-class culture gives primary value to “being and belonging.”
The working class to which I deliberately and consciously refer to - and to which the programme did to some extent - is different from, not less than, the professional middle class. It refers to people whose economic interests and experience diverge fundamentally—in terms of culture, class, and history— from those of culturally possessive middle class people.
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
They don't like it up 'em.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
And yet we don't put it um em enough.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Except when they do.
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isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
Finally watched it, and found myself shouting at the screen for large parts of it. The one thing - apart from the schools one already mentioned - is his blaming the amorphous and ill-defined "middle class" for gentrification, when it has been directly caused by his beloved tory party's policy of asset-stripping the nation with RTB. 
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
I think it was by calling people who baulk at the notion of WC tories "confused."
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
Yeah I can see that. I guess there’s a difference between bulking on the basis of it being morally wrong and logically wrong which perhaps explains my own confusion.
I think we can all agree that it’s depressing that there are working class tories - and that this isn’t a new or unusual thing.
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