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How the Middle Class Ruined Britain - BBC2

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Unexpectedly entertaining piece coming from a working class Tory supporter and comedian, Geoff Norcott .

Anyone else see it?

BBC Two - How the Middle Class Ruined Britain

Good to see my mate Andy Worthington give a good account of himself in there too.

Working-class Tory and Leave-voting comedian Geoff Norcott is on a mission to expose the avocado-munching, middle-class hypocrisy that he believes is ruining Britain.

For Geoff, the Brexit vote showed how one group of people have had their way for far too long. The Middle Classes have been living in their bubble pretending to care about the wider society, while all the time working the system to make sure they stay a few rungs up the ladder.

Geoff believes a classic example of this can be seen in our schools. Middle-class liberals claim to love our comprehensive school system, as it’s meant to give everyone an equal start in life. But this is where the frappuccino crowd start to show their true colours as they throw their ethics out of the window and begin to play their games. The Sutton Trust found that the top 500 comprehensive schools in England are highly socially selective, taking just 9.4 per cent of pupils eligible for free school meals – around half the average. Having met a priest who tells him how middle-class parents join their local churches and pretend to believe in God in order to get their kids into the best faith schools, Geoff discovers that singing along to hymns is just the tip of the iceberg. One local authority, Havering Council on the Essex border, even employ a team of super-sleuths to catch parents who come up with all sorts of rubbish to qualify for their preferred school. Geoff is appalled but not surprised - '... nicking the best school places is their version of benefit fraud.'

Geoff sees gentrification as another prime example of middle-class hypocrisy - as young professionals, bars, take over cities and keep ordinary working people at arm's length. In Manchester, the city centre is going through a building boom, with swanky apartments going up everywhere. The majority of these new developments have no ‘affordable’ housing built, which the leader of the opposition in Manchester City Councils says is due to a policy of ‘social cleansing’ – something the council denies.

In Deptford, south east London, Geoff meets hard left activists who are opposed to the local council’s plans to regenerate the area. Geoff, a Tory, struggles to fit in as he joins the left-wing protesters on a march and then witnesses a bizarre, symbolic salt ceremony. Here, he can see both sides of the argument - how regeneration can improve the look of an area and increase an individual’s house price, but at the same time he sees the anguish caused to existing residents who are having their community changes in ways they may not like.

Geoff continues on his journey through the world of dating. He meets the founder of a dating app designed exclusively for the cream of the middle class - people who were privately educated. While he learns that ordering Chateaubriand might impress ‘posh girls’, he discovers that according to the latest stats, the chances of settling down with someone from a different class is becoming increasingly difficult. And when it comes to politics, Geoff meets Labour MP Gloria De Piero and learns how working-class voices have become marginalised and ignored. Finally, Geoff puts on a private gig for some NUS (National Union of Students) leaders to find out why his style of white working-class comedy doesn’t get booked by university campuses. Needless to say his material doesn’t go down well.
 
I caught the end of it and the section on dating was good and had some interesting stats in and was funny.

His actual comedy that he performed in front of the NUS people was quite shit though.

Worth a look I think - be interested in what others reckon.
 
No I haven't seen it but just wanted to notice that that combination of words and description will always look wrong to me.
Well, yes. I'd have thought that the people he decries are mainly Tory and not Islington lefties. It's still worth a look though.
 
I caught the end of it and the section on dating was good and had some interesting stats in and was funny.

His actual comedy that he performed in front of the NUS people was quite shit though.

Worth a look I think - be interested in what others reckon.

yes, he is a much better presenter than comedian.

btw, Gloria is standing down at next GE.
 
Couldn't get on with him as a presenter or comedian. Got the feeling he wishes he was a property developer so he could lord it over the schoolkids that belittled his working class childhood.
 
I couldn’t get through it without turning channel and going back to it. Didn’t make it to the end. I don’t know who was more annoying, him or the people he interviewed.
 
No I haven't seen it but just wanted to notice that that combination of words and description will always look wrong to me.
I was surprised when I moved to London to find there was quite a few people like this. One person for example I worked with was proud working class (reminding anybody who would listen as often as possible) and used to tell me how absolutely skint her mother’s family were growing up. They were rabid Tories.
 
I saw the bit about school places - he failed to join the dots that the reason people go through ridiculous (possibly illegal) hoops to get their kids into decent schools is because there aren't enough decent schools to go round. And whose fault is that?

But yes, there are lot of working class tories about. Source - I'm from Essex.
 
My grandad, working class Aberdonian born in 1900 was a life-long Tory.

He never ate an avocado, either...
 
I don't think there's a single election the Tories would have won without the working class Tory vote is there? Since the commoners were allowed to vote that is.

The whole deserving/undeserving poor distinction is important to the Tories not just in order to divide people in general, but for electoral reasons: they have to look like they are on the side of the deserving poor in order to get their votes. I take only what I deserve in state assistance, my neighbours are spongers and need to have their benefits cut.
 
How do people who are confused by the idea of working class tories think that Right To Buy worked?

Who is confused exactly? I'll think you'll find that it's not confusion being expressed at all...and yes I fully understand how the RTB gerrymandered etc. I'm still not comfortable with the idea of WC tories though funnily enough, for loads of reasons, which was the point being made.

Still, you crack on being condescending though.
 
I don't think there's a single election the Tories would have won without the working class Tory vote is there? Since the commoners were allowed to vote that is.

Also, another big win for the tories is the female vote, which forms a massive bulwark to their electoral success.
 
I was surprised when I moved to London to find there was quite a few people like this. One person for example I worked with was proud working class (reminding anybody who would listen as often as possible) and used to tell me how absolutely skint her mother’s family were growing up. They were rabid Tories.

Yep, I know. Certainly just not a London thing either.
 
My grandad who was as working class as they come, lived in merthyr tydfil most of his life was a tory.
 
Who is confused exactly? I'll think you'll find that it's not confusion being expressed at all...and yes I fully understand how the RTB gerrymandered etc. I'm still not comfortable with the idea of WC tories though funnily enough, for loads of reasons, which was the point being made.

Still, you crack on being condescending though.

I'm not sure how you got condescending from my post, but thanks for clarifying your position. I'd be interested to know what you make of the programme.
 
I'm finding it a bit annoying that he keeps lumping 'the middle class' together and thinking that it's the same people doing the same thing. Like 'they do thing A but then they are hypocrites because they do thing B'. I'm not saying it never happens, I'm sure there are people with terrible liberal guilt who still pretend they're living at Grandma's so the kids get into a better school, but he makes it sound as though he is dealing with one person or a group of clones, all merrily contradicting themselves.

He has a real thing about middle class lefties but it does make me want to ask what they're supposed to do?! Start voting Tory?! I mean, he'd probably say yes, but I don't think it's a great solution.
 
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