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How are streaming services effecting your downloading?

maomao said:
Wtf do you need 32tb of?
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I don't, it just sort of accumulated. :oops: Drives carried over from previous machines, the advent of cheap high capacity droves to take on holiday etc. I am more than a bit of a magpie.

The fact that I collect stamps is a fair indicator of my accumulative personality. :) I ran a program that finds duplicate files, but asked it to cover the whole disk array, it had a nervous breakdown and quit about a day in. :)
 
Data management is a whole other bag. I've got a spreadsheet to keep tabs of it all (probably should switch over to a database). Then I use a combo of SyncFolder and EaseUs Todo to keep everything in check. Highly recommend both apps.
 
I don't download music or video any more. I used to have huge libraries of both but now I am absolutely happy to pay a tenner a month to Apple to be able to listen to basically anything I want, and £6 to Netflix to watch She-Ra and Stranger Things and random anime sometimes.

If I was as into film as I used to be I'd probably still be torrenting - availability is still terrible, even quite mainstream stuff is unobtainable through the normal sites or costs an absolute bomb - but I'm not so I don't.
 
This thread is vaughly inspiring me to dust out the mp3 collection, delete loads and get some new stuff in it. Just in case. Probably a winter job mind.
 
alsoknownas said:
Yowsers! I had no idea this was still a thing :cool: .
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Sxxlsxxk is my life, but I don't like to say its name out loud... The less people know about it the longer it will last, is my thinking. Maybe it is ban proof. I hope so


Seems to me one thing about streaming is you can't as readily recall what you were listening to, three years ago say. If you have to have a physical copy, even as a file, that makes it more concrete. I know you can make lists on Spotify, but this can quickly become unwieldy.
 
ska invita said:
Seems to me one thing about streaming is you can't as readily recall what you were listening to, three years ago say. If you have to have a physical copy, even as a file, that makes it more concrete. I know you can make lists on Spotify, but this can quickly become unwieldy.
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I don't see this. If I remember what I was listening to three years ago it's my memory of listening to it, not the storage method. Streaming has made no difference from Audiogalaxy IMO apart from that I have everything now and it's so much easier.
 
FridgeMagnet said:
I don't see this. If I remember what I was listening to three years ago it's my memory of listening to it, not the storage method. Streaming has made no difference from Audiogalaxy IMO apart from that I have everything now and it's so much easier.
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My memory is terrible... So I won't remember it unless I've added it to a list or more accurately to a library... I don't know, maybe Spotify users are making complex libraries of tunes and albums?
MP3 tags are amazing for this. I even write a four word description of the track in there, and use the comment field, and recently started using the grouping field too as folders got a bit bloated

Mr Obscure - Random Techno Bollox - 1995 - UK - hard techno breakbeat banger - vox sample "yum yum" - Tuff Techno etc etc
 
ska invita said:
My memory is terrible... So I won't remember it unless I've added it to a list or more accurately to a library... I don't know, maybe Spotify users are making complex libraries of tunes and albums?
MP3 tags are amazing for this. I even write a four word description of the track in there, and use the comment field, and recently started using the grouping field too as folders got a bit bloated

Mr Obscure - Random Techno Bollox - 1995 - UK - hard techno breakbeat banger - vox sample "yum yum" - Tuff Techno etc etc
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I've never done this and it's never occurred to me to. If I want to group tracks and albums and artists, I might use playlists, but more likely I'd just take notes somewhere if I couldn't remember, because playlists have always been fragile, just like tags. Or, well, just forget.
 
FridgeMagnet said:
I've never done this and it's never occurred to me to. If I want to group tracks and albums and artists, I might use playlists, but more likely I'd just take notes somewhere if I couldn't remember, because playlists have always been fragile, just like tags. Or, well, just forget.
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On my phone but when I get to a computer I'll try and find an " interesting" link I saw recently on a classical music forum with people talking about how they organise their digital files.. classical music has added complexity because conductors, orchestras, composer, and location of recording, all have importance. I didn't really follow what they were talking about too closely, but it was fascinatingly nerdy and complex.

But yeah folders, crates and "intelligent" sub crates (in serato) + other tag info have made all my music collection so quickly accessible and recallable. Now if only I could find my house keys....
 
souljacker said:
Have you restricted your download speed on you client?

I still download lots of music. I had Spotify premium for a bit but it was an early casualty of my furlough induced poverty but I haven't missed it at all. The stream quality is awful imo so I download FLACs or V0/320 MP3s from a private tracker or soulseek. I occasionally pay for stuff from Beatport and Bandcamp. I also get a lot of mixes from Mixcloud and Soundcloud.

Still download lots of TV and movies though. I pay for Netflix but there is no way I'm also going to pay for Prime (which is have on a 30day trial at the moment and have come to the conclusion is shit), Disney+(nothing on there I haven't seen that I want to) and BritBox (paid for that shit already thankyou very much).
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No, it's always as fast as it'll go. I'm not complaining, my broadband deal was v.cheap and I can get absolutely everything. It's a godsend. Amazing that one can get away with it really....every film and series there ever was. No VPN.
 
90% of what I listen to is mp3 - I'll choose mp3 over flac any day. I've got nearly 2tb of music, There's no way I could keep that as flac and anyway, my ears are like cloth from years of heavy industry and dodgy bassbins. I've had no interest in playing out in decades, so it's just for my ears at low volume.

Most of that is stolen. Generally soulseek, though I'll get a lot of mixes from soundcloud (Never mixcloud - it's shit - if you post your mix there I won't even bother clicking the link) and I've ripped all my old tapes, cds and records that I couldn't find on SS. Now and again I'll chuck a couple of quid at someone on bandcamp when it's "pay what you want" and I'll more likely do it on bandcamp give it all to the artist days. If they want a 10er an album or a quid a track I'll just rob it. I'm not gonna work extra hours to pay for a tune or two.

I'll use youtube and spotify here and there, but it's mostly mp3s played through winamp or on a phone.

I don't pay for any video streaming services, I watch very little video (1-2 hrs a week) and I'll generally find what I'm after on pirate bay.

50% of my books come from soulseek, the other 50% from specialist sites (free as well)
 
I doubt if most people could distinguish between even V2 and V0 encoding to be honest. I'm not saying the difference isn't there - just that it's subtle. But the jump up to FLAC can be pretty big I find, even from high bitrate MP3. That said, I only use it for things I really want to listen deeply into, not my whole collection.

Spotify is supposed to be around V2 equivalent I think (on 'very high' quality setting). They must do a hell of a lot of background caching to keep that stream running as smoothly as they do. My guess is that they are using AI to predict what you might play next and pre-loading a few seconds of each probability.
 
nogojones said:
90% of what I listen to is mp3 - I'll choose mp3 over flac any day. I've got nearly 2tb of music, There's no way I could keep that as flac and anyway, my ears are like cloth from years of heavy industry and dodgy bassbins. I've had no interest in playing out in decades, so it's just for my ears at low volume.

Most of that is stolen. Generally soulseek, though I'll get a lot of mixes from soundcloud (Never mixcloud - it's shit - if you post your mix there I won't even bother clicking the link) and I've ripped all my old tapes, cds and records that I couldn't find on SS. Now and again I'll chuck a couple of quid at someone on bandcamp when it's "pay what you want" and I'll more likely do it on bandcamp give it all to the artist days. If they want a 10er an album or a quid a track I'll just rob it. I'm not gonna work extra hours to pay for a tune or two.

I'll use youtube and spotify here and there, but it's mostly mp3s played through winamp or on a phone.

I don't pay for any video streaming services, I watch very little video (1-2 hrs a week) and I'll generally find what I'm after on pirate bay.

50% of my books come from soulseek, the other 50% from specialist sites (free as well)
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Why so pro SoundCloud?
It's 64kbs I think these days
Only get 2 hours of upload unless you pay, and the packages aren't cheap

I fear mixcloud will die before too long, can't be making any money.
 
ska invita said:
Why so pro SoundCloud?
It's 64kbs I think these days
Only get 2 hours of upload unless you pay, and the packages aren't cheap

I fear mixcloud will die before too long, can't be making any money.
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I'm not sure it's a pro soundcloud, more of an anti-mixcloud thing. Though its much easier to download from soundcloud, so it might just be my natural bent to lazyness.

There was another site that seemed quite good - though I can't remember the name (something to do with heart or love I think), very like soundcloud, with few limits, but it never seemed to get that popular :(
 
I have a lot of mp3s - still use an iPod classic because I'm not sure what else I'd fit them on that's portable. Lots of it fairly obscure - many downloads were things I previously had on cassette, taped off John Peel or Andy Kershaw or wherever back in the old days, and I had enough trouble finding mp3s of it in the first place (in some cases even contacted long-defunct artists and asked them if they'd mind digitising a track for me). Most of it would not be on most streaming services, I think.

I only started using Spotify very recently because bob_jr had been badgering me for it and I figured we might as well have a family account. I don't find it's made me download less - I use it either for easy access to stuff I have on vinyl or CD (collections which were always patchy because back when I was buying those formats I couldn't really afford much music) or to check out new stuff but then if I like it enough I tend to go off to Bandcamp or somewhere and download it anyway. Not for any good reason except I'm old-fashioned and maybe because the survivalist in me wants to still be able to listen to it when the remote servers have been strafed into dust by China in the next war :hmm:
 
Question for those downloading how are you storing it? I was considering cloud. I somehow lost my last storage hard drive.
 
I only pay for downloads off bandcamp, and that's all saved on the bandcamp servers. I think that's the same for most legit downloads - your boomkat downloads can be re-downloaded too iirc. Mostly if I buy something I'll buy a physical copy though.
 
killer b said:
I only pay for downloads off bandcamp, and that's all saved on the bandcamp servers. I think that's the same for most legit downloads - your boomkat downloads can be re-downloaded too iirc. Mostly if I buy something I'll buy a physical copy though.
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Good to know about bookmat. I was mainly using Juno who did once allow me to redownload tracks when I'd lost them previously.
 
I have JBOD (just a bunch of disks) for my music and films. I'm switching to RAID for my work stuff.

It's not really practical for me to mirror all my (non-work) media, but I keep a pool for each tracker so I can at least seed back ratio in an emergency.

The work stuff gets the full triple backup onsite / offsite treatment.

I do most of my metadata in Adobe Bridge, which is adequate rather than brilliant. It writes tags direct to the files.

I use a spreadsheet to keep track of it all (necessary!).
 
really interesting watch

Lawsuits against downloaders were meant to scare people into buying CDs again. However in the late 2000s a pair of cases went way too far, with even the judge calling the outcome "monstrous and shocking." Interestingly, the fight against digital music began as early as the 1980s. Enjoy the full history of the RIAA vs digital music!
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Most of what I (and my children) watch at home is now YouTube so I subscribe to that to avoid the adverts. That comes with YouTube music.

Before that even, I'd become accustomed to the thought that whenever it occurs to me to listen to a tune I can find it more quickly to stream than I could find the mp3 or CD.

I still buy music - records. If I hear stuff I love on the radio (which thankfully happens a lot) I'll buy the record, not least in the hope that perhaps the artist will get more of the money than they would from Spotify. That may be me being naive though.

I used to download music but haven't felt the need for years. The vinyl is for All Time, everything else is ephemeral.
 
For those on Virgin, Torrent Quest works, in conjunction with micro torrent.

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