Holocaust: the facts

[Idris2002]

This may seem frivolous, but here's a link to a thorough debunking of the "Nazi Flying Saucer" myth:

More Magonia: Nazi UFO Mythos, Part One

I say it may seem frivolous, but it isn't, and for this reason, that the Canadian Holocaust Denier Ernst Zundel used to use this nonsense as a means of getting airtime through which he could disseminate his various lies - and the idea of Nazi UFOs is still circulating widely on the internet.

So just in case you ever have the need to debunk that one, the page linked above is the best place to go.

A maker of model aircraft has had to withdraw the kit it produced of a so-called "Nazi flying saucer", citing the danger it represents to historical truth, and the education of the coming generation:

https://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/flying-saucer-toy-recalled-for-teaching-kids-that-nazis-1827096609

 

[butchersapron]

Robert Faurisson has died.

 

[Pickman's model]

Robert Faurisson has died.

turned out nice again

 

[danny la rouge]

That’s cheered me up.

 

[Argonia]

Robert Faurisson has died.

Ironically died in Vichy.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Robert Faurisson has died.

Never 'like' a death, but I'll make an exception in this case.

 

[Idris2002]

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[danny la rouge]

The importance of getting these facts out and widely discussed is underlined by a poll that shows a remarkable level of denial and ignorance in UK society.

As well as a worrying proportion who either don’t believe it happened or that it has been exaggerated, the poll suggests that the majority of people - two-thirds - do not know the numbers.


One-in-20 deny Holocaust took place

“Five per cent of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust took place and one in 12 believes its scale has been exaggerated, a survey has found.”

“Almost two-thirds of respondents could not say how many Jews were murdered or "grossly" under-estimated the number.”

 

[brogdale]

The importance of getting these facts out and widely discussed is underlined by a poll that shows a remarkable level of denial and ignorance in UK society.

As well as a worrying proportion who either don’t believe it happened or that it has been exaggerated, the poll suggests that the majority of people - two-thirds - do not know the numbers.


One-in-20 deny Holocaust took place

“Five per cent of UK adults do not believe the Holocaust took place and one in 12 believes its scale has been exaggerated, a survey has found.”

“Almost two-thirds of respondents could not say how many Jews were murdered or "grossly" under-estimated the number.”

I can't find a link to the actual polling data; shame as it would be interesting to see if age cross-breaks make any difference. I'd speculate that the figures for scepticism might be higher in the cohorts between the WW11/post-war generation and those (over the last 20 years) for which their National Curriculum has included the rise of Nazism etc.
Just a hunch, mind.

 

[hash tag]

This was on teh box last night Son of Saul - Wikipedia
Great film, if grim. Didn't really show anything too graphic or in great detail, but you were left in no doubt what was happening

 

[Sprocket.]

Sadly we appear to be living in the age of the great unlearning. Where opinions have replaced facts. Is there any hope for humanity?

 

[hash tag]

No.
There have always been wars, there will always be wars, we just never learn

 

[redsquirrel]

I can't find a link to the actual polling data;

It would be nice to know the specific questions asked too. The story in the Guardian links it to other polls

That poll found that one in three people knew little or nothing about the Holocaust, and an average of 5% said they had never heard of it. In France, 20% of those aged 18-34 said they had never heard of the Holocaust; in Austria, the figure was 12%. A survey in the US last year found that 9% of millennials said they had not heard, or did not think they had heard, of the Holocaust.

but ignorance/lack of knowledge is pretty different to active denial.

 

[butchersapron]

We need the actual data here - this is pretty preposterous frankly and news people running with a a press release as fact is well shoddy.

 

[redsquirrel]

The HMT info doesn't give any more data than the press pieces. Not even the name of the company who conducted the polling.

 

[butchersapron]

Opinion Matters did it.

...

Exactly.

 

[brogdale]

Opinion Matters did it.

I've looked on their site; can't find anything about it.

 

[redsquirrel]

Opinion Matters did it.

Ta. Not heard to them before

 

[butchersapron]

I can't even get their site to load. Prob never had more than two visitors a day before today.

 

[butchersapron]

Not a member of the British Polling Council.

 

[brogdale]

Not a member of the British Polling Council.

HMDT not bothered about that, then?
Hmm

 

[redsquirrel]

I can't even get their site to load.

Likewise

Not a member of the British Polling Council.

Hmmm

 

[danny la rouge]

Well done all. I should have thought to ask those questions, but it didn’t even occur to me this morning.

So, we need to know more about Opinion Matters, what methods they used, why they aren’t being cited by the BBC and Guardian. Anything else?

 

[butchersapron]

"We operate internationally and in the UK. We offer highly targeted niche panels that are more pertinent to specialist audience and media requirements. Generic samples are also available."

Which reads to me like we will produce results you want.

 

[weltweit]

 

[weltweit]

 

[weltweit]

Today is Holocaust Remembrance day, there are lots of posts on my twitter, I won't post them all here don't worry. January 27th was the day Auschwitz was liberated.

 

[tim]

Sadly we appear to be living in the age of the great unlearning. Where opinions have replaced facts. Is there any hope for humanity?

Perhaps, but it's nice to see the clichés never change.

 

[Argonia]

This was on teh box last night Son of Saul - Wikipedia
Great film, if grim. Didn't really show anything too graphic or in great detail, but you were left in no doubt what was happening

Saw this. Fucking harrowing. Imagine it will be on iplayer for a while.

 

[Sprocket.]

Perhaps, but it's nice to see the clichés never change.

Don’t worry all things must pass.