Hold your nose and vote Labour?
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Bus Honeygun
This week the score draws are plentiful
Yeah, happy to admit that I'm a total tribal Labour voter.
Some left-of-Labour group got my GE protest vote after Iraq and the worst of New Labour, but I soon returned to the fold and continue to do so. No great faith in them or anything, just a mix of old values and habits dying hard and the fact is someone is going to win, the revolution ain't going to happen, and I'd still rather it was Labour. Have toyed with the Greens, but they're just too middle-class NIMBY for me.
Some left-of-Labour group got my GE protest vote after Iraq and the worst of New Labour, but I soon returned to the fold and continue to do so. No great faith in them or anything, just a mix of old values and habits dying hard and the fact is someone is going to win, the revolution ain't going to happen, and I'd still rather it was Labour. Have toyed with the Greens, but they're just too middle-class NIMBY for me.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Nope. As far as I can see their offer is explicitly lesser of two evils and I'm not even sure they can pull that off tbh.
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
No. If I want to vote for a far right neoliberal party with hateful policies on just about everything I'm sure the Tory party will be standing as well.
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A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Tribal Labour voter so yeah.
The worst Labour government will always be better than the best Tory government* (even if by a whisker). Unless you are actively working for a revolution and believe you aren’t that far from success ( or you have the Bader Minehoff view that as a good revolutionary you have to provoke the state into making things worse for the working class to precipitate revolution) then it’s difficult to argue practically against it.
But of course I’m just a wanky reformist.
Still not keen on Starmer mind.
* Actual examples to the contrary, rather than sweeping statements, gratefully received.
The worst Labour government will always be better than the best Tory government* (even if by a whisker). Unless you are actively working for a revolution and believe you aren’t that far from success ( or you have the Bader Minehoff view that as a good revolutionary you have to provoke the state into making things worse for the working class to precipitate revolution) then it’s difficult to argue practically against it.
But of course I’m just a wanky reformist.
Still not keen on Starmer mind.
* Actual examples to the contrary, rather than sweeping statements, gratefully received.
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Riklet
procrastinación
I was going to not vote at this current local election. Then I thought fuck it I'll vote labour cos we have a Lib Dem council who are fucking annoying and persue anti working class policies regularly. But then I saw the latest rubbish from Labour and I just cant be bothered. Gonna vote green as both candidates list their addresses and actually live locally.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
There’s two Green councillors in Bedford, if I could I’d vote for them. But under FPTP not nationally. Besides some of their second tier national policies are wank.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
It's a hard no from me. Fuck them cunts.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Is there any limit to this logic though? I mean I'm not a revolutionary particularly, I'd be quite up for some wanky reformism tbh. I did vote for Corbyn's Labour. But I don't really see Starmer and co have anything to offer at all, they're just falling over themselves to outdo the Tories so what's the point.
I really can't be dealing with another 5 years of this shit (yes I know Starmers a Tory blah blah but you think Sunak with a mandate for more of the same is going to be better?) and certainly where I am not voting for Labour is helping the Conservatives gain another seat. It's not great but it's the electoral system in this country and you have to work with what you've got.
Interested to hear who (if anyone) the 'nos' will be voting for
Interested to hear who (if anyone) the 'nos' will be voting for
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
No fuck em, and I don't have to even consider it given Phil 'fred west' Hollobones majority. Almost certainly another spoiled ballot unless anything left of lab appears on the sheet
You just wait until we're at war with China.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
I guess you'd be rushing to the gates of the PLA occupation forces and offering your services a capo?
eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
With deep reluctance probably, but only because I live in a Tory/Labour marginal.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I'm not voting for a whisker's difference. We deserve more
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
So how are you going to get what you deserve for the years 2924/ 2030?
Serious question, not arguing for the sake of it, Genuinely what do you see as the way forward?
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
We're not. Just accept we can't have nice things.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Direct action. If it doesn't happen it doesn't happen, but the direction the vote takes us without a working class movement that's scaring the crap out of them has been clear for 50 years now. I don't care if other people vote, overly, but I think it's little more than a rubber stamp for something that's happening regardless and want no part in it myself. I'll spend that spare 15 minutes on an article or at a protest or something.
Considering my values, which are for a society that is decentralised so the people have the power from the bottom up - it's the complete opposite of an authoratarian state like China, that has centralised power only second to North Korea.
If we are not careful, as country we could very well end up like China, with a future British dictator aligning themselves with the Chinese.
Look at Macron, he has already alluded to ONE global new world order with China in it.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
This pretty much sums my position up perfectly. Starmer might not be much better than Sunak but even a whisker is better than nothing. Beside what happens if one of them carks a week after the election?
With Starmer there is at least a modest chance he will be replaced with someone better whereas Rishi Rich will almost certainly be replaced by someone worse.
I live in the Toriest part of Safe Toryland so my vote won't matter shit but I will still vote Labour at both LE and GE.
furluxor
snake with a claw
Yes. I can't vote in the GE but I'd vote Labour if I could, in hopes that Starmer is just playing a strategic game and at any rate, to oust the tories. In the local elections I was going to vote Green but a Labour councillor turned up on my doorstep and changed my mind.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
I admire your optimism.
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
Labour aren't really a factor where I live in Scotland.
Where I live it's between SNP & Tory. The local MP is a good hard-working person so I may just vote for them- maybe- on that basis. Or I won't vote at all.
The current political binfire in Scotland to do with the slow implosion of the SNP, is a big part of the reason why I wouldn't vote, as I certainly wouldn't consider for a nanosecond voting for any of the Westminster "big three".
I feel strongly that we're living through the collapse of what was parliamentary democracy and that voting to somehow halt / reverse that is like buying an Austin Seven to combat climate change. We're in for a very ugly few years yet.
Where I live it's between SNP & Tory. The local MP is a good hard-working person so I may just vote for them- maybe- on that basis. Or I won't vote at all.
The current political binfire in Scotland to do with the slow implosion of the SNP, is a big part of the reason why I wouldn't vote, as I certainly wouldn't consider for a nanosecond voting for any of the Westminster "big three".
I feel strongly that we're living through the collapse of what was parliamentary democracy and that voting to somehow halt / reverse that is like buying an Austin Seven to combat climate change. We're in for a very ugly few years yet.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
In terms of strategic game, Starmer's cunning plan is to appear as much like the Tories, so as to be indistinguishable... and then, if elected, to act like the Tories, so as to be indistinguishable.
furluxor
snake with a claw
I don't think anyone knows this for sure at this point. I understand he's got a good track record and has earned the benefit of the doubt.
Plumdaff
joy in people
I don't really think that Labour are going to be much/any better on most of the issues that really matter, bar I think Miliband is genuinely sincere on environmental issues. But I have been given the clear message that I am the kind of person they want nowhere near their loathsome party and I will comply with that request.
I have the option of Plaid, so it might be them, or spunking cock.
I have the option of Plaid, so it might be them, or spunking cock.
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