sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Actually no, Heysel was down to staging a game at a stadium that wasn't fit for the purpose.
Hillsborough: What Really Happened?
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revol68
what, fucking what?
Yes it was a factor but there was also the small matter of crowd violence.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
On the Liverpool fc thing, a lot of that came from our ex chief exec, Rick Parry. He is a fully paid up member of the football establishment(he came from the fa) and wanted to sweep it under the carpet
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
That stadium was not fit to hold a match even today yet alone back then when violence was common place.
revol68
what, fucking what?
And that removes any responsibility from those who attacked the Juventus fans?
Wise the fuck up.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Do you honestly think the Italian fans had nothing to do with it?. You must have very little knowledge of what football was like back then.
If it wasn't for the subject matter I'd be fucking laughing at that, coming from you.
I don't want to derail this thread into one of your lame bitchfests so I'm leaving it there.
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
I know Sheila Coleman from years back
The thing about the Hillsborough campaign is that the only thing they had in common was their bereavement. They were a slice of British society and it was only a matter of time before the lack of commonality would tear them apart.
The behaviour of Liverpool fans in Europe leading up to Heysel was really fucking dire
They would steal and rob anything - I know that from Liverpool fans who were there
The thing about the Hillsborough campaign is that the only thing they had in common was their bereavement. They were a slice of British society and it was only a matter of time before the lack of commonality would tear them apart.
The behaviour of Liverpool fans in Europe leading up to Heysel was really fucking dire
They would steal and rob anything - I know that from Liverpool fans who were there
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
true, but at the moment of the wall collapsing they were still charging at them; they'd not made contact, as it were.
and no, none of this remotely excuses the behaviour of their or their opponents' fans that day.
Some good news on this today....
COMPLETE disclosure of hidden documents about the Hillsborough tragedy will take place within TWO months after weeks of secret talks resulted in a personal guarantee from the Home Secretary.
Three Merseyside mothers, who lost their sons and daughters in Sheffield, arrived back at Lime Street Station last night after being given a face-to-face assurance by Alan Johnson that every hidden file would be released.
Today, the ECHO can reveal:
A five-man independent “cabinet”, including respected Hillsborough chronicler Phil Scraton will start sifting through the documents in September;
Bereaved families could have the opportunity to view important pages by April, 2010;
The files to be released include those from the three emergency services, the Sheffield city corner, Sheffield council and Sheffield Wednesday FC;
Archivists are already compiling the masses of documents into a manageable system in preparation for the panel to begin work this autumn.
Jenni Hicks, Margaret Aspinall and Pat Joynes, who attended the high-profile meeting in London, today spoke exclusively to the ECHO and explained how they were able to now break their silence after months of observing a Whitehall confidentiality agreement.
And they revealed a series of secret meetings had taken place in recent months in the capital.
The mothers said they were “ecstastic” with the breakthrough and said they had achieved the aims of their campaign of 20 years.
Jenni Hicks, whose daughters, Sarah, 19, and Victoria, 15, on the Leppings Lane terrace, told the ECHO: “There’s an awful lot which has gone on behind the scenes.
“Margaret, me and Trevor Hicks have been meeting down in London for a number of months now. Every one of the 96 families will be notified about developments in due course.
“Negotiations were so delicate so it had to be kept confidential until we could go public. Bereaved families will see everything.
“There are hundreds of thousands of documents – it’s not going to be an easy task.
“We stressed the need for accountability and justice for the 96 who sadly died that day and also those who survived the tragedy.
“We mentioned how important it was for Liverpool as a city and the people who support us.”
Margaret Aspinall, chairwoman of the Hillsborough Family Support Group (HFSG) who lost her son James, 18, added: “We’d have loved to have told people the efforts we were making, but we had to keep our word. Now we’ve got it at last. Full disclosure which we’ve campaigned for for the last 20 years.
“As long as a throrough job is done, that’s all that matters. We have done this for the families and the people of Merseyside who we care so much about.”
There was some concern this week from families affiliated to the Hillsborough Justice Campaign about their lack of involvement with the talks. But it has become clear that once the independent panel gets underway they will be liaising with every single family.
A HOME OFFICE statement today said: “Hillsborough was a terrible tragedy and the Government is committed to full disclosure of information held centrally and by local agencies in order to help provide a permanent record of documentation relating to the tragedy.
This will be done in close co-operation with South Yorkshire Police. The Home Secretary together with Andy Burnham, Health Secretary and Michael Wills, Justice Minister have had a useful and productive meeting with the Hillsborough Family Support Group to explore options that will enable them to have access to all relevant papers.
The Government’s intention is to appoint an independent panel, ‘the Hillsborough Independent Panel’, to oversee release of this information.
“Disclosure will take into account the wishes of the families to protect sensitive and personal information about the victims.
“With this in mind, Government will seek to ensure representatives of the Hillsborough families will have prior disclosure of documents on an agreed timescale before they are made more widely available. We will continue to work with the families to complete this work.”
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/live...ugh-papers-disclosure-battle-100252-24266543/
COMPLETE disclosure of hidden documents about the Hillsborough tragedy will take place within TWO months after weeks of secret talks resulted in a personal guarantee from the Home Secretary.
Three Merseyside mothers, who lost their sons and daughters in Sheffield, arrived back at Lime Street Station last night after being given a face-to-face assurance by Alan Johnson that every hidden file would be released.
Today, the ECHO can reveal:
A five-man independent “cabinet”, including respected Hillsborough chronicler Phil Scraton will start sifting through the documents in September;
Bereaved families could have the opportunity to view important pages by April, 2010;
The files to be released include those from the three emergency services, the Sheffield city corner, Sheffield council and Sheffield Wednesday FC;
Archivists are already compiling the masses of documents into a manageable system in preparation for the panel to begin work this autumn.
Jenni Hicks, Margaret Aspinall and Pat Joynes, who attended the high-profile meeting in London, today spoke exclusively to the ECHO and explained how they were able to now break their silence after months of observing a Whitehall confidentiality agreement.
And they revealed a series of secret meetings had taken place in recent months in the capital.
The mothers said they were “ecstastic” with the breakthrough and said they had achieved the aims of their campaign of 20 years.
Jenni Hicks, whose daughters, Sarah, 19, and Victoria, 15, on the Leppings Lane terrace, told the ECHO: “There’s an awful lot which has gone on behind the scenes.
“Margaret, me and Trevor Hicks have been meeting down in London for a number of months now. Every one of the 96 families will be notified about developments in due course.
“Negotiations were so delicate so it had to be kept confidential until we could go public. Bereaved families will see everything.
“There are hundreds of thousands of documents – it’s not going to be an easy task.
“We stressed the need for accountability and justice for the 96 who sadly died that day and also those who survived the tragedy.
“We mentioned how important it was for Liverpool as a city and the people who support us.”
Margaret Aspinall, chairwoman of the Hillsborough Family Support Group (HFSG) who lost her son James, 18, added: “We’d have loved to have told people the efforts we were making, but we had to keep our word. Now we’ve got it at last. Full disclosure which we’ve campaigned for for the last 20 years.
“As long as a throrough job is done, that’s all that matters. We have done this for the families and the people of Merseyside who we care so much about.”
There was some concern this week from families affiliated to the Hillsborough Justice Campaign about their lack of involvement with the talks. But it has become clear that once the independent panel gets underway they will be liaising with every single family.
A HOME OFFICE statement today said: “Hillsborough was a terrible tragedy and the Government is committed to full disclosure of information held centrally and by local agencies in order to help provide a permanent record of documentation relating to the tragedy.
This will be done in close co-operation with South Yorkshire Police. The Home Secretary together with Andy Burnham, Health Secretary and Michael Wills, Justice Minister have had a useful and productive meeting with the Hillsborough Family Support Group to explore options that will enable them to have access to all relevant papers.
The Government’s intention is to appoint an independent panel, ‘the Hillsborough Independent Panel’, to oversee release of this information.
“Disclosure will take into account the wishes of the families to protect sensitive and personal information about the victims.
“With this in mind, Government will seek to ensure representatives of the Hillsborough families will have prior disclosure of documents on an agreed timescale before they are made more widely available. We will continue to work with the families to complete this work.”
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/live...ugh-papers-disclosure-battle-100252-24266543/
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That Scraton is involved is indded good news - as oted above, there are doubts about what this might eman given the previous sifting and who final release lies with. I'll need to do some researchy on the complete discloure thing, but if true it's a great victory. Ta for posting that biffo.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The eight member panel meets for the fist time tomorrow - members:
Right Rev James Jones, Bishop of Liverpool,
Christine Gifford - Public information expert
Katy Jones - TV producer and researcher
Paul Leighton - Former Deputy Chief Constable of the Police Service of Northern Ireland
Dr Bill Kirkup - Former Associate Medical Director at the Department of Health
Sarah Tyacke - Archivist
Professor Phil Scraton - Academic criminologist
Peter Sissons - Broadcaster
No direct representatives of either the Hillsborough Justice Campaign nor Hillsborough Family Support Group - Scraton and Jones i suppose are there to fight their corner. Expected to take two years to go through all the documents - but this doesn't mean that all the documents are to be made public.
Right Rev James Jones, Bishop of Liverpool,
Christine Gifford - Public information expert
Katy Jones - TV producer and researcher
Paul Leighton - Former Deputy Chief Constable of the Police Service of Northern Ireland
Dr Bill Kirkup - Former Associate Medical Director at the Department of Health
Sarah Tyacke - Archivist
Professor Phil Scraton - Academic criminologist
Peter Sissons - Broadcaster
No direct representatives of either the Hillsborough Justice Campaign nor Hillsborough Family Support Group - Scraton and Jones i suppose are there to fight their corner. Expected to take two years to go through all the documents - but this doesn't mean that all the documents are to be made public.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
From the LFC official site. RIP.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Might be of interest to some, the above are presenting an update on the case and the last few years development at the new Hydra Books in Bristol tonight:
Date: Sunday, 27 November 2011
Time: 19:00
Venue: Hydra Books 34 Old Market, BS2 0EZ
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For those who want more scouse stuff there's also Steve Higginson doing Liverpool 1911 - A City On The Edge at 3pm.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Late bump for this
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Some really interesting and depressing things came out at this meeting - the panel is a sham, a home office catspaw - will write full report when i have time.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Look forward to hearing your views on it.
My god
I had never really understood what happened that day. Couldn't read it without a hand over my mouth.butchersapron
Bring back hanging
tommers
Busta Rhymes is an unstoppable movement
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
I sincerely hope this time that the families finally find the truth that they have always campaigned for. Followed by an apology from a Tory PM.
Thatchers long awaited death would then finally put some closure on this miscarriage of Justice.
Justice for the 96
Thatchers long awaited death would then finally put some closure on this miscarriage of Justice.
Justice for the 96
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Fedayn
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sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
I hope so, but I still think the establishment will close ranks over this. There might be an apology from Cameron but I would be surprised to see a proper inquest.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
We can only hope
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Vigil at St Georges Hall tomorrow evening 5-7 and 2 minutes silence across the city at 3.06.
http://liverpool.gov.uk/news/details.aspx?id=219211
I'll be there if any urbs fancy a pint afterwards.
http://liverpool.gov.uk/news/details.aspx?id=219211
I'll be there if any urbs fancy a pint afterwards.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Hope it's well attended
Dovydaitis
Official fishco fish groupie
watched that last night thanks to Fed, was very informative. I was only about 8 when is happened and being a girl who has always hated football i don't really remember much about it.
Fingers crossed justice will begin tomorrow
Fingers crossed justice will begin tomorrow
