Highwaymen in Peckham

[Pickman's model]

wondering atm if it could be included into one of the online archives.

but IMO, the easiest way to do anyhting with it would be if you have access to a book scanner that will convert it to pdf. i know some uni libraries have them, and i do know that you could just sign in via public access into my uni library and get to use this. i'm a bit far away, but it's feasable that there is somewhere a lot closer where you could do that.

I am surprised you advocate work which could damage the book.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Well yes, that's why I was curious.

Illiteracy was very high then, more so among the working class, so I'm guessing having servants, and being literate would mean they were middle class or above

Could be wrong

 

[spanglechick]

that's a lot of work you're suggesting

I'm not suggesting ruby write it herself.

 

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Well, Mary Woolley is reporting very much second hand as it happened before she was born. She strikes me as someone who liked a good story too. I wouldn't like to vouch for the absolute accuracy of them all.

accuracy is sometimes far less relavent than what people believed happened.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Found this:

As late as 1800 no European country could claim that half its population could read and write. In most regions complete, if basic, literacy was still confined to town-dwelling men of middling status or above.

 

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I am surprised you advocate work which could damage the book.

any mishandling could potentially damage a book, but taking a copy does not necessarily do this. it might in fact protect the book, as it provides a source for the content that does not involve constantly handling the book.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not suggesting ruby write it herself.

I didn't think you were. But you were suggesting approaching publishers, which can be a very long and time consuming process. It's well known that many subsequently best-selling books have been rejected by scores of publishers before seeing the light of print. would you spend the time typing it up, copying it, researching publishers, sending it to publishers, etc etc? I doubt it. But you suggest rtg should

 

[Pickman's model]

any mishandling could potentially damage a book, but taking a copy does not necessarily do this. it might in fact protect the book, as it provides a source for the content that does not involve constantly handling the book.

You don't work with archives or rare books, do you?

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Illiteracy was very high then, more so among the working class, so I'm guessing having servants, and being literate would mean they were middle class or above

Could be wrong

Traveling by stage coach daily sounds quite fancy too.

 

[Pickman's model]

Traveling by stage coach daily sounds quite fancy too.

It would fuck your back

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Traveling by stage coach daily sounds quite fancy too.

Yeah, probably the equivalent of someone who can afford black taxi prices nowadays

 

[spanglechick]

I didn't think you were. But you were suggesting approaching publishers, which can be a very long and time consuming process. It's well known that many subsequently best-selling books have been rejected by scores of publishers before seeing the light of print. would you spend the time typing it up, copying it, researching publishers, sending it to publishers, etc etc? I doubt it. But you suggest rtg should

Are you looking for a ruck???

Ruby herself was talking about typing the thing up onto a blog. With publishers, or with literary agents one should only send a representative sample (usually a chapter) when sending on spec. It's not an instant thing to do, no - but yes, in that situation, it is what I would do.

 

[Pickman's model]

Are you looking for a ruck???

Ruby herself was talking about typing the thing up onto a blog. With publishers, or with literary agents one should only send a representative sample (usually a chapter) when sending on spec. It's not an instant thing to do, no - but yes, in that situation, it is what I would do.

And that's before you get involved with the sale of film rights, which would necessitate hiring lawyers. And of course it's well known very few books - less than 10% - make any money for their authors. It's easy to suggest other people do a ton of work isn't it.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

And that's before you get involved with the sale of film rights, which would necessitate hiring lawyers. And of course it's well known very few books - less than 10% - make any money for their authors. It's easy to suggest other people do a ton of work isn't it.

FFS Pickman's. No need to get so narky. It was only a suggestion. Not everyone is aware how much work may be involved, so if you want to inform them, at least you can go about it in a slightly more pleasant manner

 

[Pickman's model]

FFS Pickman's. No need to get so narky. It was only a suggestion. Not everyone is aware how much work may be involved, so if you want to inform them, at least you can go about it in a slightly more pleasant manner

I've always been more craig revel-horwood than len goodman

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I've always been more craig revel-horwood than len goodman

I agree, I'm guessing one's nice and one's not.

However, I have no idea who either are

 

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You don't work with archives or rare books, do you?

interesting assumptions you're making.

but i would weigh up the potentials and possibilities, a process recomended by the archivists and librarians i work with, rather than using this as a chance for oneupmanship.

Are you looking for a ruck???

yes, I think he is.

 

[Pickman's model]

By scanning an old book you can destroy the artefact. Yeh, the british library destroys loads of books to scan them: but they've got spare copies. I don't know any archivist who would advocate scanning when it risks the document.

 

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By scanning an old book you can destroy the artefact. Yeh, the british library destroys loads of books to scan them: but they've got spare copies. I don't know any archivist who would advocate scanning when it risks the document.

interesting.

you argue against scanning as a destructive process, yet that is not necessarily the case, is it.

 

[Pickman's model]

interesting.

you argue against scanning as a destructive process, yet that is not necessarily the case, is it.

I didn't say it was necessarily destructive. But let's not let that get in your way.

 

[wtfftw]

Probably not as they're a museum and not an archive. The london metropolitan archive might be but what's wrong with the local (southwark?) archives?

Point about archives but I was thinking of the recent Gladys stuff that the museum of London was doing.

ETA http://www.mymuseumoflondon.org.uk/blogs/blog/love/

 

[spanglechick]

And that's before you get involved with the sale of film rights, which would necessitate hiring lawyers. And of course it's well known very few books - less than 10% - make any money for their authors. It's easy to suggest other people do a ton of work isn't it.

oh fuck off you twat. it's what i would do. that's what suggestions generally are.

 

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I didn't say it was necessarily destructive. But let's not let that get in your way.

yep, you bickered about a possibility.

because you never let anyhting get in the way of being an arguementative twat.

 

[sim667]

This is brilliant stuff, and fascinating read!

My mum anounced my gran has loads of sketches and cartoons that were drawn for her by polish and US soldiers during WW2, im planning on getting hold of those to scan, so I'd love to see where you put this stuff and if it gets online interest.

 

[Pickman's model]

yep, you bickered about a possibility.

because you never let anyhting get in the way of being an arguementative twat.

Although it's possible you know archivists and librarians, few of either profession would advocate taking an archival document (this book) and scanning it on a bog standard scanner. For a start there are risks to the book magnified by the level of experience of the person doing it, plus they'd be unlikely to scan at an archival quality level. scanning done by trained staff and the scanning you suggest are two different things.

 

[Pickman's model]

This is brilliant stuff, and fascinating read!

My mum anounced my gran has loads of sketches and cartoons that were drawn for her by polish and US soldiers during WW2, im planning on getting hold of those to scan, so I'd love to see where you put this stuff and if it gets online interest.

You may need a larger than a4 scanner: some art schools will have much bigger ones, and i'm sure another suggestion will be along shortly for an alternative scanner source.

 

[Pickman's model]

oh fuck off you twat. it's what i would do. that's what suggestions generally are.

Fuck you too, you cunt. Few suggestions ime rely on someone putting months of work into a project: and just because you'd be up for doing something is no guarantee other people would too.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Fuck you too, you cunt. Few suggestions ime rely on someone putting months of work into a project: and just because you'd be up for doing something is no guarantee other people would too.

She wasn't exactly twisted RTB's arm and saying "this is what you have to do" was she?

You're in a very narky mood today

 

[Pickman's model]

She wasn't exactly twisted RTB's arm and saying "this is what you have to do" was she?

You're in a very narky mood today

Not with you, sweetness

 

[sim667]

You may need a larger than a4 scanner: some art schools will have much bigger ones, and i'm sure another suggestion will be along shortly for an alternative scanner source.

I've got an A3 at work, I can photograph work larger than A3 on a document monopod thing we've got.