Hate crime law could be extended to cover misogyny, misandry, ageism, etc.

[cupid_stunt]

Goths, men, women and elderly people could receive protection under hate crime laws after officials announced a wide-ranging review of current legislation.

The Law Commission, the independent body that recommends legal reforms, will look at whether there are any gaps in hate crime legislation as part of a package of measures announced by the Home Office on Tuesday.

Both misogyny (prejudice against women) and misandry (prejudice against men) will be considered by the review, as will attitudes towards alternative lifestyles such as goth subculture, and age.

Race, religion, trans identity, sexual orientation and disability are the so-called “protected characteristics” covered by current legislation.

Review of UK hate crime law to consider misogyny and ageism

Raises some interesting questions as to exactly how far to go, my first thought is it seems logical for ageism & misogyny, and to be equal I guess misandry.

Extending it to alternative lifestyles is an interesting suggestion, not something I had given thought too, what does urban think?

 

[kabbes]

It’s madness. Soon we won’t be allowed to hate anyone.

 

[cupid_stunt]

It’s madness. Soon we won’t be allowed to hate anyone.

Not even on urban?

 

[krtek a houby]

I , for one, embrace the forthcoming utopia.

 

[kabbes]

Not even on urban?

The last bastion of secret hate.

 

[krtek a houby]

The last bastion of secret hate.

Sounds like novel, that. Or maybe an alternative to secret Santa?

 

[kabbes]

Yes, that could work. What’s in Santa’s bag? Oh, it’s a big steaming pile of fuck off.

 

[Pickman's model]

No more calling people auld man

 

[brogdale]

They're saying we can't use our own cant?
Cunts.

 

[cheesethief]

Goths, men, women and elderly people could receive protection under hate crime laws after officials announced a wide-ranging review of current legislation.

So... that's everyone then?

Any illegal act against another living being becomes a hate crime.

I really hope South Park covers this...

 

[Athos]

It’s madness.

I think the correct term is 'mentally ill.'

Madness gone politically correct.

 

[kabbes]

I think the correct term is 'mentally ill.'

Madness gone politically correct.

You know, it’s not that straightforward in all seriousness. Madness as a concept has been with us for millennia and viewed in different ways over that time. But the much more recent application of the word “illness” to certain mental states has some controversy attached, because it implies a state of inappropriateness of some ways of being human. It also implies the appropriateness of diagnostic criteria and categorisation of mental processes, which are things that have been at the very least repeatedly highly contested for many decades now.

So yeah, watch your hate speech with this talk of “mental illness”

 

[krtek a houby]

Madness gone politically correct.

Can't even call them the "nutty boys" anymore

 

[Poi E]

Nope. Can't call myself a nutter anymore. Goodbye self loathing.

 

[Athos]

You know, it’s not that straightforward in all seriousness. Madness as a concept has been with us for millennia and viewed in different ways over that time. But the much more recent application of the word “illness” to certain mental states has some controversy attached, because it implies a state of inappropriateness of some ways of being human. It also implies the appropriateness of diagnostic criteria and categorisation of mental processes, which are things that have been at the very least repeatedly highly contested for many decades now.

So yeah, watch your hate speech with this talk of “mental illness”

It was just a way to say "madness gone politically correct" (cf. political correctness gone mad).

 

[Pickman's model]

Nope. Can't call myself a nutter anymore. Goodbye self loathing.

Open up a stall selling cashews, brazils and betels and everyone will call you a nutter

 

[kabbes]

It was just a way to say "madness gone politically correct" (cf. political correctness gone mad).

And I missed it completely

 

[not-bono-ever]

Yeah but goths

 

[krtek a houby]

Yeah but goths

Could have stemmed from that horrible case a few years back where a goth couple were set upon and one of them was murdered, iirc

 

[PursuedByBears]

Could have stemmed from that horrible case a few years back where a goth couple were set upon and one of them was murdered, iirc

Sophie Lancaster

 

[Poi E]

Open up a stall selling cashews, brazils and betels and everyone will call you a nutter

Yeah but I'm skint and I've have to shell out for that.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Could have stemmed from that horrible case a few years back where a goth couple were set upon and one of them was murdered, iirc

Yep

 

[MickiQ]

Banning prejudice against things like race, sexual orientation or disablity make sense, since they're not a matter of choice no-one chooses to be black or gay, they're born like that and prejudice against them is just plain wrong.
I've always felt slightly queasy over religous discrimination laws, whilst people should have the right to believe in whatever particular sky fairy they want, religions are a major breeding ground of discrimination and it's not unknown for the nuttier amongst them using such laws to harass non-believers.
But writing protections for goths into law? Of course you should be able to dress as you want and go out in public without the fear of being attacked but that should apply to everyone there shouldn't be any special protection because you dress as a vampire.
I don't think sexual inequality is a hate crime, it's wrong and there is still much to do yet but I don't think any of the many reasons that women have got the short end of the stick throughout history is hate.

 

[Teaboy]

Isn't 'hate crimes' more about aggravating factors when it comes to sentencing?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Isn't 'hate crimes' more about aggravating factors when it comes to sentencing?

Yes, if an element of racism, homophobia etc. can be shown to have been present as part or all of the motivation for the offence then it is an aggravating factor.

But this new development is being reported that should some doddery old fucker be barring your way and you mutter to yourself* "out the way you silly old cunt", then you could go down. Not sure if that is the case or not.


*Did just this, muttered in my own mind in Sainsbury's, only it somehow escaped my mind and came out of my mouth, loudly

 

[not-bono-ever]

If religion falls under a hate crime then any conscious choice of lifestyle should fall under the same umbrella logically

The mail will dine out on this for months

 

[DotCommunist]

If religion falls under a hate crime then any conscious choice of lifestyle should fall under the same umbrella logically

The mail will dine out on this for months

in an unexpected twist, any such proposed law would leave vile shits at the mail and co to rinse normals with impunity while seemingly only being enforced when I call someone a middle class wanker or similar.

thats how it'll pan out, mark my words.

 

[Teaboy]

Surely religion is already included in some respects? Islamophobic attacks count as hate crimes.

 

[DotCommunist]

incitement to religious hatred is a seperate but similarly worded law. It sees use in norn iron a bit, as one might expect

 

[littlebabyjesus]

incitement to religious hatred is a seperate but similarly worded law. It sees use in norn iron a bit, as one might expect

And the Loyalists use it to justify their hate marches. Good example of the wrong-headedness of including belief/lifestyle in this kind of thing.