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Don't be put off by the title -- this is funny as fuck. The first 5 minutes at least.



Bunch of Tory twats -- this used to be George Osborne's seat btw, now Esther McVey's. But very funny to see them squabbling over nothing much in particular.

"Will you stop being whatever it is you're trying to be?" and "READ THE STANDING ORDERS!" are my fave bits
 
Don't be put off by the title -- this is funny as fuck. The first 5 minutes at least.



Bunch of Tory twats -- this used to be George Osborne's seat btw, now Esther McVey's. But very funny to see them squabbling over nothing much in particular.

"Will you stop being whatever it is you're trying to be?" and "READ THE STANDING ORDERS!" are my fave bits

That’s a parody. Has to be. Must be. Brain will implode if not.
 
What a bunch of smug, petty minded twats. Exactly as I'd imagined Parish councillors to behave!

My mother's village hasn't had Parish Council elections in over 20 years, because there's never enough candidates wanting to stand, so everyone that puts their name forward automatically gets appointed, then they have to co-opt other residents to fill the spare positions, which conjures up images of pissed-up people leaving the pub, being press-ganged into it.
 
i watched the unedited directors cut last night


explains things a bit more fully

does anyone know exactly what was going on? i havent seen the TV reporting of this. What is being said?

My understanding is the chairman, who on one level looks reasonable and is correctly following procedure, is in fact a pedant and bureaucratic dictator and a nightmare
-he called no meetings during the pandemic? hence this extraordinary meeting
-jackie weaver has been brought in as some kind of outside mediator to restore order/adjudicate

an interesting question over whether she really does have power to kick out the chair. in the directors cut she explains that she does
though if that is what is happening it needs a new chair appointing permanently, whereas john Smith gets the role "for this meeting" only?
so many questions :D

i have nothing buy sympathy, have sat in as bad meetings myself - whats going on here i think is an attempt of changing of the guard and justly pushing out of stubborn awkward elements who abuse their power. though its a bit bodged. is that right?

i forget the chairmans name, but hes an utter dick in this meeting (below) in which he presides totally and ignores any awkward question
(this is good stuff here:))


he has his supporters on the council though, in fact its about a 50/50 split from what i can see
 
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a bit harsh on jackie tbf
 
David Brown, Director of Governance and Compliance & Monitoring Officer at Cheshire District Council is not happy with them, his letter is published on the home page of Handforth Parish Council's website, it's been cracking me up, just a few key points -

The Returning Officer appointed by Cheshire East has received multiple correspondence which appears to suggest that the Returning Officer should not comply with the statutory and regulatory regime for the calling of an election. As I will explain that suggestion is misconceived and wholly inappropriate.​
As Monitoring Officer in Cheshire East I have received a multiplicity of complaints and referrals. These range from multiple complaints about councillors behaviour; to fundamental issues of governance and member/officer engagement. The most recent referrals relate to suggestions that some members of Handforth Parish Council have purported to take decisions that are plainly unlawful, and these decisions have resulted in expenditure of public funds.​
Although this does not form part of the obligation of a Monitoring Officer to any Parish Council you should be aware that any member who knowingly acts unlawfully places themselves at risk of personal liability for damages to third parties, and the recovery of any public money purported to be expended by them on behalf of the parish council.​

Here's the full letter -

OFFICIAL NOTICE
Letter from Director of Governance and Compliance
Cheshire District Council

Dear Parish Councillors,
I am writing to you following a number of referrals and complaints received in respect of Handforth Parish Council. I will divide this letter into three parts to separate the issues and prevent any conflating of behavioural and conduct issues with any substantive election point.
Part 1
The Returning Officer appointed by Cheshire East has received multiple correspondence which appears to suggest that the Returning Officer should not comply with the statutory and regulatory regime for the calling of an election. As I will explain that suggestion is misconceived and wholly inappropriate.
For the avoidance of doubt the Returning Officer is charged with the proper administration of the election process. The Returning Officer role does not include any element of referee, policeman, judge, adjudicator or adviser. The Returning Officer is under strict obligations of impartiality and has no view on the conduct of members, clerks or other persons within Handforth Parish Council.
The Returning Officer has received a declaration of vacant office from Handforth Parish Council and this has triggered a mandatory election process.
If any individual member or resident believes Handforth Parish Council has acted erroneously they should seek independent legal advice on how to challenge Handforth Parish Council’s notification to the Returning Officer. The Returning Officer is impartial and must not engage in any internal parish council dispute.
Part 2
As Monitoring Officer in Cheshire East I have received a multiplicity of complaints and referrals. These range from multiple complaints about councillors behaviour; to fundamental issues of governance and member/officer engagement. The most recent referrals relate to suggestions that some members of Handforth Parish Council have purported to take decisions that are plainly unlawful, and these decisions have resulted in expenditure of public funds.
The Monitoring Officer does not provide general governance advice to town and parish councils. If the Code of Conduct matters raised are taken at face value they are sufficiently serious to warrant detailed consideration. The detailed consideration may result in a hearing before the Cheshire East Council Committee for Standards. The outcome of any such hearing may be public and may be used as evidence in related legal proceedings. The costs associated with the investigation of any misconduct are published and will become a matter for the Parish Council to defend.
Until an assessment and investigation of any code of conduct issue is completed, I am unable to comment on any potential culpability of any individual or group of members.
Part 3
Although this does not form part of the obligation of a Monitoring Officer to any Parish Council you should be aware that any member who knowingly acts unlawfully places themselves at risk of personal liability for damages to third parties, and the recovery of any public money purported to be expended by them on behalf of the parish council.
It may be timely, given the nature of the referrals made, for Councillors to reassure themselves that no element of misfeasance in public office could arise. The elements of the offence are summarised in Attorney General's Reference No 3 of 2003 [2004] EWCA Crim 868 and expanded upon in the Crown Prosecution Service website.
Misconduct in Public Office | The Crown Prosecution Service
Councillors are all aware that there has been no valid challenge, upheld by a court to the declaration of vacancy as notified to the Returning Officer. It is therefore probable that any Councillor acting on the purported belief there is no vacancy may be engaging in misconduct and acting wilfully or being recklessly indifferent to that fact. Please note the offence only requires that the public trust in the officeholder to be abused and that may be achieved by relatively modest misuse of public funds or misconduct.
Handforth Parish Council, or any individual councillor, may seek advice and assistance from the local association of Town and Parish Councils for help with any potential issue and to seek advice to resolve the difficulties that have been reported. Given the high volume of complaints received, significant scrutiny of the Parish Councils actions is likely.
Yours sincerely

David Brown
Director of Governance and Compliance
Monitoring Officer

 
i watched the unedited directors cut last night


explains things a bit more fully

does anyone know exactly what was going on? i havent seen the TV reporting of this. What is being said?

My understanding is the chairman, who on one level looks reasonable and is correctly following procedure, is in fact a pedant and bureaucratic dictator and a nightmare
-he called no meetings during the pandemic? hence this extraordinary meeting
-jackie weaver has been brought in as some kind of outside mediator to restore order/adjudicate

an interesting question over whether she really does have power to kick out the chair. in the directors cut she explains that she does
though if that is what is happening it needs a new chair appointing permanently, whereas john Smith gets the role "for this meeting" only?
so many questions :D

i have nothing buy sympathy, have sat in as bad meetings myself - whats going on here i think is an attempt of changing of the guard and justly pushing out of stubborn awkward elements who abuse their power. though its a bit bodged. is that right?

i forget the chairmans name, but hes an utter dick in this meeting in which he presides totally and ignores any awkward question
(this is good stuff here:))


he has his supporters on the council though, in fact its about a 50/50 split from what i can see
Great post-match analysis; I think we've found our new favourite sport :cool: ;)
 
theres definitely a tv series in this, in the Detectorists tone, but with a bit more high stake parish meeting drama.
would need the meeting of course, but also important is the pre-meeting and post-meeting whispering campaigns
i would watch
Yeah, also sort of similar to The Office, in that sense of "familiar mundanity of life". And it's perfectly set up to be recorded in lockdown!
 
They are not a happy bunch. :D



Longer version below, with councillors falling out, various members calling each other stupid, some calling others out as liars, and it almost came to blows at the end. :D



As a trainee reporter back in the day, I had to attend far too many parish council meetings. None were this entertaining. I quite liked the ones in the village pub though.

You should have gone to Handforth. :D
 
Jackie on Radio 4 Woman's Hour just now, she very much wanted to make it clear she wasn't a member of the council but was from the Cheshire Association of Local Councils and was there to provide advice, guidance and support. Also she shockingly revealed that she didn't actually know who was in charge of that meeting.
 
I joined a local group, probably a step below this in terms of political clout because they wanted some 'young blood'. I immediately found myself parachuted into the middle of a longstanding battle between two factions. The average age is probably well into the 70s. Mostly well meaning types but a few who take it far too seriously.

The boredom of lockdown has also led to email chains that have walls of text over the most minute details, it really does become a war of attrition.

This video is incredibly on the nose.
 
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