Well they're under siege.
Hamas - influences, ideology etc
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of course, he is on one side and is talking at a time when the attack is raw.
but his take was they care nothing for 'this world' and are fixated on death, martyrdom and heaven. and they are anti-peace, which has been discussed elsewhere.
One particular example of Israeli behavior seems to have been the immediate factor that caused the invasion. This was a very big deal to the Arabs, though I haven't seen it reported at all in the Western media:
Over 800 Israeli settlers storm Al-Aqsa compound on Sukkot
Rabbis, heads of settlement associations and far-right university lecturers were among 832 people who stormed the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound on Thursday morning.
yes, certainly the random murder of men, women and children seems the only possible response to thatOne particular example of Israeli behavior seems to have been the immediate factor that caused the invasion. This was a very big deal to the Arabs, though I haven't seen it reported at all in the Western media:
Over 800 Israeli settlers storm Al-Aqsa compound on Sukkot
Rabbis, heads of settlement associations and far-right university lecturers were among 832 people who stormed the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound on Thursday morning.www.newarab.com
8ball
Decolonise colons!
One particular example of Israeli behavior seems to have been the immediate factor that caused the invasion. This was a very big deal to the Arabs, though I haven't seen it reported at all in the Western media:
Over 800 Israeli settlers storm Al-Aqsa compound on Sukkot
Rabbis, heads of settlement associations and far-right university lecturers were among 832 people who stormed the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound on Thursday morning.
You mean they only started planning this invasion on 5th October?
Who is the "they" here? The leadership or the fighters on the ground. Research has shown that the fixation on heaven is rarely the motive for violence. I think it was in Scot Atran's Talking to the enemy that I read about Hamas not liking to recruit the 70 virgins lads because they were unreliable and interested in instant gratification rather than having the dedication and self disciple to get shit done.
have a listen but pretty sure he is talking about 'Hamas' as a whole.
I don't think I can bring myself to do that but thanks anyway.
You mean they only started planning this invasion on 5th October?
Hamas decided to launch their operation after the rabbis stormed (and attempted to flood) the al-Aqsa mosque on 10/05. The clue is in the name.
Despite this fact being completely obvious and very important, have you seen it mentioned in the British or American press?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Really, where?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Would have been the BBC or Channel 4. Possibly both.
But sorry, you did say "press" - I assumed this included stuff like BBC website.
Of course they have plenty of other motives, but that was the immediate cause. Muslims feel very strongly about this, it's a real red line.
OK, I must have missed it. Got a link?
stop presenting highly debatable opinion as fact.
"a real red line" for Hamas? but ok with kiling babies? fuck off.
It's not debatable that 800 rabbis invading and attempting to destroy the al-Aqsa mosque is a red line for Muslims (not just Hamas), as the world has just witnessed.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I can’t remember whether it was on internet - might have been on TV, so if I found you a link now it would just be by searching for it.
Was within a day or two of the initial attack, though.
PTK
Paul Kegan
""I am happy with what Hamas has done so far, taking revenge for Israeli actions at al-Aqsa," a young man in Gaza City told the BBC, referring to the recent rise in Jewish visitors to the compound in Israeli-annexed East Jerusalem during the high holidays."
Hamas attack shocks Israel, but what comes next?
Tensions had recently risen in Gaza - but this attack was unexpected on a Jewish holiday.
www.bbc.co.uk
""I am happy with what Hamas has done so far, taking revenge for Israeli actions at al-Aqsa," a young man in Gaza City told the BBC, referring to the recent rise in Jewish visitors to the compound in Israeli-annexed East Jerusalem during the high holidays."
Hamas attack shocks Israel, but what comes next?
Tensions had recently risen in Gaza - but this attack was unexpected on a Jewish holiday.www.bbc.co.uk
That report claims the guy was "referring to the recent rise in Jewish visitors to the compound in Israeli-annexed East Jerusalem during the high holidays."
That's a completely disingenuous, deliberately misleading statement. I've posted what he was referring to above.
Seriously, the Western MSM is refusing to report the true cause of the invasion. It's a disgrace.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Because they didn't, it was planned since 2022 as the recovered documents demonstrate clearly.
I know but the desecration of the mosque was the immediate cause. That's why they named the operation after it. Probably thought they'd give us a clue.
deeyo
hurled unheard to this world.
well worth a read, thanks.This is new and quite interesting on the relationship between Hammas and Israel and the Palestinian Authority.
Where the Palestinian Political Project Goes from Here
For decades, Hamas and Israel have maintained a violent equilibrium. How will the war change that paradigm?www.newyorker.com
some of the 'experts' asked 'does anyone benefit from the israel-hamas war' in the link below seems to share tareq baconis views.
PTK
Paul Kegan
"the recovered documents demonstrate clearly." Which documents are these? Can you be sure they are authentic?
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
PTK
Paul Kegan
I have not seen this in the news. I find it hard to believe that Hamas left some documents lying around that the IDF recovered. However, I agree that this operation must have been planned for many months.
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Some screenshots from the videos live streamed by Hamas where they were using the maps in the plans found on their bodies.
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