Jamie Wyatt
Well-Known Member
Yes I know who I was speaking to, I think the phrase used was "these designs are usually done for the league above at the time" which would be Conf South but if we was relegated in the mean time.....
Hadley Property Group, Dulwich Hamlet FC and the dream of fan ownership
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Yes I know who I was speaking to, I think the phrase used was "these designs are usually done for the league above at the time" which would be Conf South but if we was relegated in the mean time.....
Taper
Mark McGann
And Peter John's reply to a question my alter ego posed.
So are LB Southwark going to engage, positively about the future of the club? As things stand, they seem more concerned about preserving a barely used badly managed piece of wasteland rather than address the club's pressing needs.
So are LB Southwark going to engage, positively about the future of the club? As things stand, they seem more concerned about preserving a barely used badly managed piece of wasteland rather than address the club's pressing needs.
Hamlet Pete
Well-Known Member
Invanhoe Residents Association have posted pictures of the boards made by Hadley used at the presentation on Saturday. You can view them here:
http://ivanhoeresidents.tumblr.com
http://ivanhoeresidents.tumblr.com
Pink&BlueFairy
Member
Well community involvement at planning and decision making stages. Environmental trimmings suggested earlier (rainwater recycling) green area/ community useful area sounds all fine and dandy to me. It is possible if we dig our heels abd push for it. A great example of turning a dog waste area into something truly useful is Myatts Field Park. Revamped to its victorian design with modern facilities for everyone, a wild area and an awesome children's playground. Surrounded by a mixture of private and vast council estates, a beautiful treat. Something to look up to IMO.
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hiraethified
How he can describe himself as a 'photographer' and produce something as unbelievably shite as this out of focus blob?
His number of followers troubles me too.
Taper
Mark McGann
Good, balanced and worrying article here on the development and the club, via The Real FA Cup
http://therealfacup.co.uk/2014/07/2...et/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
http://therealfacup.co.uk/2014/07/2...et/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Jamie Wyatt
Well-Known Member
Balanced? I read that as you must not trust Hadley at all! Now while I do agree that they are only it this for profit, the fact remains that without them there would be no DHFC anyway!
Personally for this at the moment I think they deserve our full support as it's going to be hard enough to convince certain local groups to even contemplate change!
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
I'd say it's a fair article. I don't see anything wrong in their attitude to Hadleys - I think you have to acknowledge they've done everything right so far but clearly their interests ultimately aren't in the football club.
The only thing in there I hadn't really thought of was Sainsbury's influence. It seems to me that it's very much in their interest to have a large development of (presumably) expensive housing opening next door - that's a lot of new well-off regular customers - so it could actually be a help in getting planning.
The only thing in there I hadn't really thought of was Sainsbury's influence. It seems to me that it's very much in their interest to have a large development of (presumably) expensive housing opening next door - that's a lot of new well-off regular customers - so it could actually be a help in getting planning.
Taper
Mark McGann
I thought it was pretty balanced. Praised Hadley for what they've done so far. But clear what Hadley's overriding interests are.
It's not about trust. It's about recognising everyone's legitimate interests and negotiating a solution that benefits everyone. So one that builds houses, gives Hadley a profit, enhances Greendale, improves the area for current residents and above all puts the club on a sustainable footing.
Piece of piss. Israel Palestine can then follow.
One thought I had is who will provide the voice of the supporters. Is this to committee or the supporters association?
It's not about trust. It's about recognising everyone's legitimate interests and negotiating a solution that benefits everyone. So one that builds houses, gives Hadley a profit, enhances Greendale, improves the area for current residents and above all puts the club on a sustainable footing.
Piece of piss. Israel Palestine can then follow.
One thought I had is who will provide the voice of the supporters. Is this to committee or the supporters association?
"One thought I had is who will provide the voice of the supporters. Is this to committee or the supporters association?"
As someone who is honoured to serve on the Football Club committee, I think the committee would be the voice of the Club; but the supporters should be voiced both through the Supporters Trust, AND through individual supporters. Once planning permission to be formalised by an application, actually before this, just after the next public consultation from the developers, which they have promised in September/October; I think the Trust should hold open public meetings for fans to talk to developers, to nail them down on what exactly we can build, and what we can't be built. Then we need to tell them how these 'shells' need to be built within those contstraints. For example, the current ground had no input from football people at all. Which is which the terracing is so awful, as one example. In the quarter of a century since the current ground will have been done, and hopefully the new one ready, there have been so many advances...all-weather pitch; living wall like a la The Oval around the ground; full cycle provision; solar panels; enegery efficiency all round; modern floodlights to cut light polution...I am sure there are plenty of other things that don't come immediately to mind. I would like to see public meeting(s), consultation with fans, then a quick blueprint document of what the fans/Trust envisage for a future stadium. As well as community ownership, but that's further along I would think.
All of the above is why I am currently behind Hadleys...as well as similar to what Jamie said: without them we would NOT be having this discussion now.
As someone who is honoured to serve on the Football Club committee, I think the committee would be the voice of the Club; but the supporters should be voiced both through the Supporters Trust, AND through individual supporters. Once planning permission to be formalised by an application, actually before this, just after the next public consultation from the developers, which they have promised in September/October; I think the Trust should hold open public meetings for fans to talk to developers, to nail them down on what exactly we can build, and what we can't be built. Then we need to tell them how these 'shells' need to be built within those contstraints. For example, the current ground had no input from football people at all. Which is which the terracing is so awful, as one example. In the quarter of a century since the current ground will have been done, and hopefully the new one ready, there have been so many advances...all-weather pitch; living wall like a la The Oval around the ground; full cycle provision; solar panels; enegery efficiency all round; modern floodlights to cut light polution...I am sure there are plenty of other things that don't come immediately to mind. I would like to see public meeting(s), consultation with fans, then a quick blueprint document of what the fans/Trust envisage for a future stadium. As well as community ownership, but that's further along I would think.
All of the above is why I am currently behind Hadleys...as well as similar to what Jamie said: without them we would NOT be having this discussion now.
G Man
Formerly of hard hat fame
Pretty balanced article I thought. Fair to acknowledge the achievements of Hadley whilst also recognising the inevitable cynicism of motive. I suspect market forces will win over community spirit unless we stay united. It's seems as though in this instance we want market forces to win as long as we get what we want. It's great that this summer so many people have expressed greater interest in the supporters trust, with new fresh blood on it, and attending 12th man AGM's etc. This time last year that wouldn't have happened.
As an aside, the The Saturday November 16th 2013 home game versus Maidstone wasn't postponed due to a weather cancellation. We played that day at home to Concorde Rangers in the 2nd round of the FA trophy. Maidstone at home was moved to Tuesday December 17th to accommodate.
As an aside, the The Saturday November 16th 2013 home game versus Maidstone wasn't postponed due to a weather cancellation. We played that day at home to Concorde Rangers in the 2nd round of the FA trophy. Maidstone at home was moved to Tuesday December 17th to accommodate.
vornstyle76
Dundela FC, Transpontine Diaspora Brigade
I wish Southwark Councillors were as concerned about displacing humans as they are about bloody butterflies. Whatever you think about Hadley's proposal, it's at least an eviction-free plan. Maybe that's why Peter John is against it!
Pink&BlueFairy
Member
Well whatever platform is to be the official voice of the supporters it should incorporate representatives of the other supporter platform's and ensure good communication between them as an when decisions are being discussed. We should try hard to keep everyone as informed as possible to avoid unnecessary conflict. Inclusive work should ensure the very best community orientated ideas get through!
Jamie Wyatt
Well-Known Member
I agree with Mishi, the Supporters Trust should be the voice of the supporters, but for that to happen we would have to here from them a lot, lot more, the Website and Twitter feeds are hardly in use, they don't use Facebook to my knowledge, at times like this they need to be heard all the time across all platforms.
I understand and appreciate the stands they have had and will have at fairs etc but that will not get them heard as much as we are going to need!
I understand and appreciate the stands they have had and will have at fairs etc but that will not get them heard as much as we are going to need!
Pink&BlueFairy
Member
Add me to it and you won't have that problem anymore 
Jamie Wyatt
Well-Known Member
I stand corrected, there is a Facebook page, last used in November 2013 I think!!!
editor
hiraethified
I think it's a pretty good analysis. Not sure about the comment left by 'Simon' where he claims Hamlet fans rarely use the Sainsburys after games, though. I go most times and see loads of fellow fans in there.
chaswoodley
New Member
Well as my first post on the forum, a returning Dulwich fan who last went in the seventies, and who has now seen a couple of friendlies, I have actually sold going to see the Hamlet to the wife, on the strength of getting our main shop before the game.
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hiraethified
I usually get a message with a list of suddenly "urgent" supplies that need to be purchased on my way home
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hiraethified
Pink Panther
Well-Known Member
To be fair he was probably holding his gun in one hand, so it can't have been easy to focus his camera properly.
Doug Kermit
New Member
Perhaps you could suggest that they take a different approach...put the football stadium on TOP of the development, say four stories above....it's been done before:
http://www.stadiumguide.com/louis2/
http://www.stadiumguide.com/louis2/
editor
hiraethified
Here's the latest update (I've changed the thread title to reflect this development and merged a similar thread so that all the chat is in one place - hope that's OK) :
Hadley Property commit to Dulwich Hamlet FC fan ownership – if a new ground can be delivered
Hadley Property commit to Dulwich Hamlet FC fan ownership – if a new ground can be delivered
pompeydunc
Well-Known Member
Here it is:
‘Southwark News’ Thursday 16th April 2015
Hamlet ‘could become supporter owned’ club
Dulwich Hamlet FC fans are ‘delighted’ the club could become fully supporter-owned if their dreams of a new stadium come true, after a pledge was made by the current owner this week.
A smaller stadium is needed for the struggling community club to survive, after debts of £180,000 nearly sent them under before they were bought out by the Hadley Property Group last year.
Hadley and the Dulwich Hamlet Supporters’ Trust want the new smaller ground to be built on the Astroturf site on Greendale Fields, behind the current stadium. Hadley would then use the stadium land for possible housing developments.
Southwark Council, which owns Greendale Fields and lease the Astroturf site to Hadley, is now under pressure to renounce its alternative proposal to transform the land into a public park with the new stadium built on the site of the old grounds instead.
James Masini, Chair of the Dulwich Hamlet Supporters’ trust, said he was ‘delighted’ Hadley had committed to ultimately transferring ownership, saying: “We urge the council to negotiate with Hadley Property Group as a matter of urgency.”
Cllr. Barrie Hargrove, Southwark’s cabinet member for parks and leisure, said he was continuing to work with Hadley Homes and Dulwich Hamlet on securing the future of the football club.
‘Southwark News’ Thursday 16th April 2015
Hamlet ‘could become supporter owned’ club
Dulwich Hamlet FC fans are ‘delighted’ the club could become fully supporter-owned if their dreams of a new stadium come true, after a pledge was made by the current owner this week.
A smaller stadium is needed for the struggling community club to survive, after debts of £180,000 nearly sent them under before they were bought out by the Hadley Property Group last year.
Hadley and the Dulwich Hamlet Supporters’ Trust want the new smaller ground to be built on the Astroturf site on Greendale Fields, behind the current stadium. Hadley would then use the stadium land for possible housing developments.
Southwark Council, which owns Greendale Fields and lease the Astroturf site to Hadley, is now under pressure to renounce its alternative proposal to transform the land into a public park with the new stadium built on the site of the old grounds instead.
James Masini, Chair of the Dulwich Hamlet Supporters’ trust, said he was ‘delighted’ Hadley had committed to ultimately transferring ownership, saying: “We urge the council to negotiate with Hadley Property Group as a matter of urgency.”
Cllr. Barrie Hargrove, Southwark’s cabinet member for parks and leisure, said he was continuing to work with Hadley Homes and Dulwich Hamlet on securing the future of the football club.
Calm down pompeydunc It's easy to have mis-quotes, or errors in press reports...
All publicity is good publicity, as only your good self was saying last night...
pompeydunc
Well-Known Member
Calm down pompeydunc It's easy to have mis-quotes, or errors in press reports...
This is not a trivial error. The paper is saying the the Trust supports a new smaller ground on Greendale. The Trust have not said that in the statement from Hadley, or elsewhere.
This is a major decision for the club, and one that Trust members would be balloted on before the Trust Board would support the plans. The most important outstanding issue at the moment is security of tenure on Greendale. Until this is resolved, then the plans can't move forward.
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