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Greedy landlords rub their hands with glee as Londoners queue in the cold to buy flats

Advice that someone should've given ddraigo's dad.
why is that then?

made it up to your long lost boy yet?

e2a - i know you're smarting as you missed out on the earlier bunfight here but you are showing your desperation now
 
I think diamond needs a right of reply.

I've already made my position clear on multiple occasions regarding the points that you make, which I do not agree with.

The fact that you aren't aware of this implies that, coming late to this particular party, either you (i) have been too lazy to read the thread in any kind of detail or (ii) are being disingenuous.

Spymaster managed to summarise my pov on the original issues pretty neatly a few pages back though if you can't be arsed to sift through all 20 odd pages.
 
Ah, you studied history in academic circles, did you?
Is this along with economics and law?

Or did you mean that you were fed the story of Canute/Cnut/Knut/Knuta/Knud at school, like everyone else?

I studied history at undergraduate level, law at postgraduate and I have to keep abreast of competition/antitrust microeconomics as part of my professional role.
 
I've already made my position clear on multiple occasions regarding the points that you make, which I do not agree with.

The fact that you aren't aware of this implies that, coming late to this particular party, either you (i) have been too lazy to read the thread in any kind of detail or (ii) are being disingenuous.

Spymaster managed to summarise my pov on the original issues pretty neatly a few pages back though if you can't be arsed to sift through all 20 odd pages.
You pm-ed me at 2-40 am. You invited me in. Making your position clear is meaningless. I t means that you have a position. That's all. It doesn't mean anyone buys it. You've lost this massively.
 
Although no learning at all is even more dangerous.
someone with no learning would be less likely to piss about with chemicals in a laboratory than someone with a basic understanding of what they were up to. so the person with no learning less likely to do something particularly dangerous.
 
You pm-ed me at 2-40 am. You invited me in. Making your position clear is meaningless. I t means that you have a position. That's all. It doesn't mean anyone buys it. You've lost this massively.

I was interested to know your opinion and was surprised that this topic had not been of interest to you.
 
yes, but your pov seems to rest on a rather specious accusation and does not begin to address the very real issues of speculation on a massively overheated housing market... with an attempt to avoid being called out be making sly insinuations and then (for shame) playing a personal woe is me card.
Apart from standing up for some unknown investors absolute right to make money, you have not really contributed anything of substance. From where I am standing (along with, I suspect, the vast majority of people earning ordinary wages), this position is not particularly admirable and your attempts to bluster look a bit....well, feeble.
 
His position is one of absolute free market fundamentalism. That's all. Leave it up the market and everything will be taken care of. There will be no bubbles, no market-cornering, no accumulations of power or wealth, no ignoring of the 80% that only provide 20% of the profit. It will all just miraculously be cured. Just like it has worked so well to date, in this industry and so many others.
 
His position is one of absolute free market fundamentalism. That's all. Leave it up the market and everything will be taken care of. There will be no bubbles, no market-cornering, no accumulations of power or wealth, no ignoring of the 80% that only provide 20% of the profit. It will all just miraculously be cured. Just like it has worked so well to date, in this industry and so many others.

No. It is not. How do you square home-building programmes with "absolute free market fundamentalism? If those programmes require government intervention through dismantling the laws around green belts and/or incentivising building through other interventions, then that's fine - whatever gets the results, regardless as to whether they run counter to your odd straw man of "absolute free market fundamentalism" (whatever that is) or not.

Don't bother trying to play this reductionist game of misrepresnting or second guessing my position or arguments.

I can take all the personal invective that most posters seem to depressingly prefer on this thread to proper argument but I will pull you up consistently every time that you choose that properly and more egregiously cynical route.
 
So is that it, then Diamond? You can only suggest a programme of building on greenbelt? How are you living? Do you earn £100,000 p.a? Have you had your head up your bottom for the last 2 decades while housing has become so unhinged and absolutely divorced from the reality of people being able to afford it? We are not talking about a little difficulty here but a massive disconnect where housing costs upward of 11-13 times an ordinary salary -and not just in London either. Do you have any concept of town planning, agriculture, food production, transport? This is a ridiculous solution given the number of empty properties in our cities. We do not have a housing shortage problem...we have an unbalanced and unsustainable housing bubble and a shortage of AFFORDABLE houses...a few more properties built on green belt does hardly anything to solve the problem where housing has ceased to be a home and is purely a means of profit - this is a deep systemic fail which will not be solved without some radical rebalancing. And personally, although you may shout about the injustices of racism, I have a huge problem with a similar injustice - the huge exclusion of working class people from a property and power party to which they are not invited.
 
No. It is not. How do you square home-building programmes with "absolute free market fundamentalism? If those programmes require government intervention through dismantling the laws around green belts and/or incentivising building through other interventions, then that's fine - whatever gets the results, regardless as to whether they run counter to your odd straw man of "absolute free market fundamentalism" (whatever that is) or not.

Don't bother trying to play this reductionist game of misrepresnting or second guessing my position or arguments.

I can take all the personal invective that most posters seem to depressingly prefer on this thread to proper argument but I will pull you up consistently every time that you choose that properly and more egregiously cynical route.
You got caught. Lifting the rock brought other stuff.
 
- the huge exclusion of working class people from a property and power party to which they are not invited.

It's not a just a working class issue.

The average cost of a property in London is now over 520 grand. To buy one a couple would need a £125k deposit and require a joint income of at least £80k to obtain a mortgage that would cost the best part of £2000 a month.

That excludes most junior-mid level professionals too.
 
Well yes, this illustrates that this is not an issue solved by a bit of tinkering, Spy, but has profound effects on the make-up of our cities and the aspirations and hopes of our children. We are changing from a society where home-owning was the norm to a more European mode of renting, but without any of the social contracts found in Germany, for example. Our economy is falsely, and ridiculously sustained on the back of a fragile and hugely unfair housing bubble - all those people who bought a house in the 80s have been lulled into feeling secure while an entire generation of children are unable to gain any traction in this leveraged economy and are also at the mercy of rapacious landlords. This really is the worst of all solutions for the great majority of people...and being without shelter is not really like having to go without a second holiday or a new sofa - it is fundamental and ought to be regarded as a human right in any civilised society (where the temperature dips below freezing).
 
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