Gisele Pelicot - some justice at last

[felixthecat]

BBC News - Gisèle Pelicot's ex-husband jailed for 20 years in mass rape trial

Gisèle Pelicot rape trial: Ex-husband Dominique jailed for 20 years

The convictions bring to an end France's largest ever rape trial, which has shocked the country and world.

www.bbc.com

I couldn't find a thread about this anywhere - can't believe there isn't one. If there is and I've not found it, mods please move this.
I think it has slightly more importance to a larger percentage of the population than a CEO being murdered...

 

[8ball]

Absolutely horrific. Some of the sentences handed out to the many associated offenders seem a little derisory, but I dont think her husband will be seeing daylight as a free man again.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

It was discussed on the Violence Against Women and Girls thread. But you're right - it deserves its own thread. My immediate thought is that 20 years is rather lenient.

 

[editor]

BBC News - Gisèle Pelicot's ex-husband jailed for 20 years in mass rape trial

Gisèle Pelicot rape trial: Ex-husband Dominique jailed for 20 years

The convictions bring to an end France's largest ever rape trial, which has shocked the country and world.

www.bbc.com

I couldn't find a thread about this anywhere - can't believe there isn't one. If there is and I've not found it, mods please move this.
I think it has slightly more importance to a larger percentage of the population than a CEO being murdered...

It was discussed on this thread: Men’s violence against women and girls is a national emergency

She's a remarkable woman.

 

[breadandcircuse]

It was discussed on this thread: Men’s violence against women and girls is a national emergency

She's a remarkable woman.

She is. She has been so courageous.

I don't think many of them have got long enough sentences, including her ex husband.

 

[trashpony]

I haven’t got words for how much admiration I have for her. What an absolutely extraordinary woman.

 

[xenon]

It was discussed on the Violence Against Women and Girls thread. But you're right - it deserves its own thread. My immediate thought is that 20 years is rather lenient.

As an aside, I wish people would start new threads for such prominant stories. It's rightfully all over the media.

One of the most disgusting / disturbing things is how many men he found that were willing to commit rape.

Yeah, I know this won't be too surprising to many women but it still seems shocking.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

It was discussed on the Violence Against Women and Girls thread. But you're right - it deserves its own thread. My immediate thought is that 20 years is rather lenient.

I heard on the radio news that he'd got 20 years and just as I was thinking 'That's a bit lenient, nowhere near long enough...' they said that that's the maximum sentence for that type of offence. Sadly. But yeah, given that it wasn't a one-off offence but there were scores of offences, it doesn't seem like justice has been sufficiently served, justice has been served to a degree, but the punishment doesn't really fit the number of crimes and the number of perpetrators that he was complicit in roping in as accomplices and the length of time it went on for, etc, etc.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

I haven’t got words for how much admiration I have for her. What an absolutely extraordinary woman.

Gisèle Pelicot is definitely more deserving of Time Person of the Year than the orange man.

 

[felixthecat]

One of the most disgusting / disturbing things is how many men he found that were willing to commit rape.

Yeah, I know this won't be too surprising to many women but it still seems shocking.

You're right, I don't think there are many women who find it surprising at all.

Red mist anger inducing yes, surprising no

 

[ice-is-forming]

Gisèle Pelicot is definitely more deserving of Time Person of the Year than the orange man.

 

[seeformiles]

II’m amazed at the banality of many of the convicted rapists. Makes me wonder how many supposedly ordinary men harbour such urges. Anyway, brave woman to have brought it all into the light.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I heard on the radio news that he'd got 20 years and just as I was thinking 'That's a bit lenient, nowhere near long enough...' they said that that's the maximum sentence for that type of offence. Sadly. But yeah, given that it wasn't a one-off offence but there were scores of offences, it doesn't seem like justice has been sufficiently served, justice has been served to a degree, but the punishment doesn't really fit the number of crimes and the number of perpetrators that he was complicit in roping in as accomplices and the length of time it went on for, etc, etc.

It does seem far too little, though at his age it is a death sentence.

The sentences for the others, many of whom are much younger, are far too short and (I don't know for sure) seem to reflect the crappy nature of French rape law (and the rape laws in many European countries, see Spain and the 'wolf-pack' thing a few years ago).

In the UK at least in recent years rape laws have been massively strengthened, to the extent that removing a condom during sex is now (rightfully) classed as rape. And yet our conviction rates are still abysmal. Can't imagine how poor they are when rape is defined in law as 'sex by surprise' or some other nonsense...

 

[weltweit]

Shocking story.
She provides a dignity in the face of absolute awfulness.
I am surprised there were so many willing rapists, and that the ratbag husband managed to find them.
Hopefully 20 years will be a death sentence for him, otherwise it doesn't seem like enough.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I am surprised there were so many willing rapists, and that the ratbag husband managed to find them.

I ain't.

So many men do not give a fuck about the people they take sexual gratification from, may as well be a jar of warm liver for them to stick their cocks in. So many of those convicted today genuinely did not believe their actions amounted to rape, they thought that as they had permission to stick their cocks in her that was OK. Thankfully the law in France shat on that defence, but the fact that so many of their lawyers went down that route shows how attitudes are.

 

[baldrick]

Unbelievably a number of the perps seem to think they are victims.

Which is an incredible mindset really, considering what they are convicted of. I hope the men who haven't been identified wait for that knock on the door for the rest of their lives, never relaxing.

Gisele is an astonishing woman, I hope she manages to find some peace in retirement.

It seems her daughter and daughters in law were also preyed upon by her ex husband. I don't know how you can come back from that as a family but I hope they do.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Agree what everyone has said about Gisele, unquestionably person of the year!

I'd also recommend the reporting and commentary on this case offered on the latest Novara Media, it's pretty pitch perfect imo (content and trigger warning, obviously):

 

[furluxor]

I also thought the sentence was lenient, but someone told me that the French don't do the thing where you only serve half (just something I was told, unverified), and it was basically an "old person sentence" because no one expects him to leave prison in anything but a casket.

I am somewhat disappointed by the low sentences for the other offenders but the conversation this case has sparked was so badly needed and there's definitely something to celebrate here. It's hard to imagine this trial conducted in the open, with the reception it got, even ten years ago.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

It does seem far too little, though at his age it is a death sentence.

The sentences for the others, many of whom are much younger, are far too short and (I don't know for sure) seem to reflect the crappy nature of French rape law (and the rape laws in many European countries, see Spain and the 'wolf-pack' thing a few years ago).

In the UK at least in recent years rape laws have been massively strengthened, to the extent that removing a condom during sex is now (rightfully) classed as rape. And yet our conviction rates are still abysmal. Can't imagine how poor they are when rape is defined in law as 'sex by surprise' or some other nonsense...

I heard on the radio that because he's already spent four years behind bars in the run up to the trial (presumably the French equivalent of 'on remand') and with time off for good behaviour inside, then he might be out in a few years.

 

[Orang Utan]

Photo of the year:

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Just when you thought the Pelicot case couldn't get any worse. Something else I heard on the radio earlier...

Dominique Pelicot's DNA was linked with a rape and attempted murder of an estate agent in Paris in the 1990s. And he's also suspected of the murder of another estate agent.

Dominique Pelicot faces further rape and murder investigation

Gisèle Pelicot’s ex-husband suspected of raping and murdering a Paris estate agent and attempting to rape another

www.theguardian.com

Horrifying to think he could've been caught decades ago.

 

[weltweit]

Sounds a new level of awful. Wasn't he caught this time for something else, and the police only discovered this when they examined his phone? A proper nasty piece of work.

 

[Superdupastupor]

It makes me sick to my stomach, I hate being a man a lot of the time.

The banality of these mens lives, the grubby litte rapists, thinking ´last night I violated a comatose woman' going about their business.

No doubt, no introspection, no guillt and turning themselves in, not 1 out of 50 (I know the self-selection process makes this doubful)


And he seems to have least atempted kill a few women (after raping obv) the early 90's .............no

 

[Thora]

As an aside, I wish people would start new threads for such prominant stories. It's rightfully all over the media.

One of the most disgusting / disturbing things is how many men he found that were willing to commit rape.

Yeah, I know this won't be too surprising to many women but it still seems shocking.

Not all men but an awfully large percentage of men when presented with the opportunity. I'm sure I have read that in various studies it was found around a third of men committed rape/sexual assault or would do so if they thought they'd get away with it.

 

[emanymton]

Sounds a new level of awful. Wasn't he caught this time for something else, and the police only discovered this when they examined his phone? A proper nasty piece of work.

He was caught recording upskirt videos I believe. I suspect he has a lot of crimes that might never come to light.

 

[PTK]

So, the cops linked him to an attempted rape in 2010, but there was no follow-up?