George IV/Music Bar at 144 Brixton Hill closing as another Tesco comes to Brixton

[Minnie_the_Minx]

GODDAMI

I wonder if I have one of these letters at home, too; considering the proximity of the George IV to my 'umble abode, behind Tudor Close. I'll certainly be whinging at that email address.

I've not had one yet

 

[quimcunx]

I was wondering if it was because I'm a shareholder* but they didn't put my name on there.




















*one share for protest purposes you understand.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I was wondering if it was because I'm a shareholder* but they didn't put my name on there.




















*one share for protest purposes you understand.

Of course it is

 

[leanderman]

I object on the grounds that the Tulse Hill parade needs such a store much more, if only for the purposes of me picnicing properly in the park

 

[lang rabbie]

I don't think there has been a planning application yet.

On the change of use, the "deregulation" of planning back under John Prescott in 2005 means that changes from pub to shop use now don't need planning permission as it is classed as it is now "permitted development".

Which means that ever since then Tesco have been buying up loads of pubs trading at the margin from debt-laden "PubCos" who are happy to get a cash buyer.

 

[shakespearegirl]

We've not had a letter either, also just behind Tudor close.

Quimmy, do you want the details of our local councillor who was very reactive/supportive of our planning problems and other issues in the area

 

[quimcunx]

Yeah, I thought it was probably a case of the use being covered anyway. Pubs and shops are very different though.


Christ I hate Tesco.

Even if I do go there about twice a year.

 

[quimcunx]

quimmy - I have the email addresses of some of the people involved in the campaign against the Russell Hotel Tesco. I could PM them on to you if you're interested in talking to them about their experiences and maybe get some advice?

We've not had a letter either, also just behind Tudor close.

Quimmy, do you want the details of our local councillor who was very reactive/supportive of our planning problems and other issues in the area

go on then. It's me though. I'm not very proactive. I know I got the letter but this affects lots of you.

 

[lang rabbie]

The George IV is inside the Rush Common and Brixton Hill Conservation Area.

On Brixton Hill there are several good examples of late Victorian public houses (photographs 35 -37) ~ the White Horse with its carriage entrance leading to former stables behind, the Telegraph which commemorates an experimental telegraph system set up nearby in cl815, and the splendid George IV public house - a late Victorian extravaganza with charming ironwork, stone balustrades and a jolly copper-clad turret topped by a flying seagull weathervane.

So I think there has to be a conservation area consent application. It would be worth objecting to every change that Tesco want to make to the building, including removing the original signage, any closing in of windows, changes to door locations, on the grounds that it would harm the character of the conservation area.

 

[quimcunx]

Gosh, Tesco never mentioned that in the letter.

 

[Rushy]

The George IV is inside the Rush Common and Brixton Hill Conservation Area.






So I think there has to be a conservation area consent application. It would be worth objecting to every change that Tesco want to make to the building, including removing the original signage, any closing in of windows, changes to door locations, on the grounds that it would harm the character of the conservation area.

Is there such a thing as a conservation area consent application?
Just a normal planning application with conservation area status as a consideration, I thought.
Unless it is listed, in which case it requires listed building consent.
It is not on Rush Common so won't need Rush Common consent.
Happy to be corrected if this is wrong...

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Gosh, Tesco never mentioned that in the letter.

Gosh, Tesco never mentioned that in the letter.

As it seems you are one of the few people to have received the letter, I reckon you should photocopy it a few thousand times and deliver it locally

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

It's occurred to me that The Telegraph is also within the Conservation Area, and whilst the exterior seems to be pretty uch the same (although I can't remember whtether the signage is there), not sure about the interior, now it's a churchy-type place

 

[quimcunx]

I'm getting a bit para about it.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I'm getting a bit para about it.

why?

That they targetted you?

 

[quimcunx]

Why MEEEEEEEEEE?!!!!

Has someone else received the letter?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Why MEEEEEEEEEE?!!!!

Has someone else received the letter?

Because you're a shareholder

I see Brixton Blog are asking for bands that played them to contact them.

Why don't they contact the bands themselves?

Here's two well known bands that played there occasionally: Top Cats and Alabama 3

How about comedians? You could ask Eddie Izzard, Jo Brand, Jack Dee etc. as they all used to perform there as well when the Comedy Pit night ran

 

[leanderman]

Next to fall, I suspect, will be CarpetRight-Topps Tiles on Tulse Hill-Water Lane.

Just saw three 'suits' sizing up the car park and store frontage in a very suspicious way.

 

[lang rabbie]

Is there such a thing as a conservation area consent application?
Just a normal planning application with conservation area status as a consideration, I thought.
Unless it is listed, in which case it requires listed building consent.
It is not on Rush Common so won't need Rush Common consent.
Happy to be corrected if this is wrong...

You are probably right.

The main planning application is likely to be for the changes to the parking layout.

However, conservation area consent is required to:

• Demolish a building with a volume of greater than 115 cubic metres.

• Demolish a wall, fence, gate or railing over 1 metre in height next to a highway (including a public footpath or bridleway) or public open space; or over 2 metres in height elsewhere.

So even though the current boundary walls around the George IV's former beer garden are barely a decade old, I suspect CA consent is needed for any replacement/new openings for vehicle entries.

Also, I think any new Tesco signage may require a separate "Advertisement consent" because it is within a conservation area.

 

[quimcunx]

http://planning.lambeth.gov.uk/onli...7265AD250A77A22E361BA1613BF5?action=firstPage

This is the current application in for removing fences for parking.

http://planning.lambeth.gov.uk/onli...ils.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=M7GTW6BOHV000

Nothing about signage. Though they mention that in their letter. But above one only dated 20th July so will maybe appear soon.



It is in a conservation area.
http://planning.lambeth.gov.uk/onli...do?activeTab=constraints&keyVal=000BM5BOLI000

 

[quimcunx]

Because you're a shareholder

I see Brixton Blog are asking for bands that played them to contact them.

Why don't they contact the bands themselves?

Here's two well known bands that played there occasionally: Top Cats and Alabama 3

How about comedians? You could ask Eddie Izzard, Jo Brand, Jack Dee etc. as they all used to perform there as well when the Comedy Pit night ran

Because they don't know who the bands are???

 

[quimcunx]

Am I still the only person who has had a letter about this?

 

[shakespearegirl]

I've still not received anything.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I've still not received anything.

Quimmy is privileged and we're not

 

[quimcunx]

I've not had one yet

I'm not the only one to get a letter!

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I'm not the only one to get a letter!

Who else has?

 

[quimcunx]

Who else has?

My neighbour. So presumably all my neighbours.

I don't need to be paranoid! Yay!

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

My neighbour. So presumably all my neighbours.

I don't need to be paranoid! Yay!

What about your neighbours in the next block of flats?

 

[quimcunx]

What about your neighbours in the next block of flats?

They don't count.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

They don't count.

Is that because they're peasants?