'Fracking' for gas in Llandow, Vale of Glamorgan
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spacemonkey
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Even if they got the money and all planning permission/environmental permits and all the affected communities on side tomorrow. The earliest it would be generating is 2027. What do we use to fill the gap for the next 14 years?
Whether the void was deliberately engineered on not, we still need a plan or some sort of consensus about the best way forward. And all I see is opposition to everything.
I'm not saying we shouldn't oppose energy choices that are destructive and have a negative impact on communities, but I'd just like to see better alternatives offered by groups in opposition.
i.e no we don't want fracking, we think a better option would be for the 4tWh's to come from 800 wind turbines, plus a new nuclear site.
Then the anti-nuke crew could say, no we would prefer 700 drill rigs, plus 8 tidal lagoons and a new coal plant.
Never happens though because you always need to endorse tough (or expensive) choices for it to add up.
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
The BBC programme on fracking the other night was a pile of shite, imo. It was sat so firmly on the fence it was ridiculous. It never once mentioned Gasland. The few times it mentioned negative effects it kept banging on about 'no scientific evidence'. The main couple it chose to highlight to talk to wrt their illnesses seemed a bit wishy washy, and there are plenty of others they could have chosen instead. The closest they got to anything was to say that if there is methane in the drinking water it's going to be from faulty well construction, which can probably be regulated to ensure safety.
Pile of whitewashing bollocks, frankly.
Pile of whitewashing bollocks, frankly.
Tankus
Amused OAP
Although there was one thing that did the interest me ...was that the methane coming out of the taps had been identified as a deep substrate generated gas as opposed to a shallow decomposition one from its chemical makeup.... Inferring a pathway to the frack zone ......
That would suggest the " produced water" is not far behind....... Skipped over quickly.
That would suggest the " produced water" is not far behind....... Skipped over quickly.
Tankus
Amused OAP
Also there is a another test site at Merthyr Mawr
http://eplandocs.bridgend.gov.uk/AniteIM.WebSearch/(S(otalpo45ou3ydojetl5xcs45))/Results.aspx
decision today ....but nothing in the press
dont worry though ....heres some advice if you find yourself suddenly in negative equity and cant afford the bottled water by the gallon ......
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-government-publishes-advice-how-4710231
I guess to see what's seeped up from the carboniferous underneath .....that seriously increases the size of potential sites if this is viable ....... much more than the already licensed sites ...all of Southern Pembroke across to Llanelli ....., a massive chunk of the beacons over to Hereford
http://eplandocs.bridgend.gov.uk/AniteIM.WebSearch/(S(otalpo45ou3ydojetl5xcs45))/Results.aspx
decision today ....but nothing in the press
dont worry though ....heres some advice if you find yourself suddenly in negative equity and cant afford the bottled water by the gallon ......
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-government-publishes-advice-how-4710231
I guess to see what's seeped up from the carboniferous underneath .....that seriously increases the size of potential sites if this is viable ....... much more than the already licensed sites ...all of Southern Pembroke across to Llanelli ....., a massive chunk of the beacons over to Hereford
spacemonkey
I Love Noodles
That date came from a planning meeting in Cardiff university with some of the leading experts on the Severn Barrage. 2027 was optimistic and assuming very low opposition and a smooth construction project.
Bearing in mind it would be one of the largest civil engineering projects in the world, what are the chances of that?
I absolutely think the Barrage should be built, but it's this enormous energy gap that I'm worried about.
Fracking or imported gas, that's the choice for the next 10-20 years. If the United States is addicted to oil, the UK is addicted to natural gas.
Tankus
Amused OAP
Then why not just buy gas off the open market , Its not going to run out in that time ...let someone else take the ecological risk ....The USA has a lot of space to trade for profit .....wide open pollutable spaces ...we are all crammed in and have a very dynamic water table due to the amount of rain we have .
We are not going to get cheaper gas ....It will still be at whatever the gas is priced on the open market ....
Fairly interesting meeting last night ,about 70 people turned up .......An American journo and a green party candidate did most of the talking ....
...According to the green party candidate Andy Chyba.... the grand sounding company who bought up the 10km2 mineral blocks for around £2k ...Coastal oil and gas is run out of a top floor of a shed on bridgend businesses park directed by Gerwyn Williams and a few of his mates .... who has a few more companies from this address .
Gerwyn Llewellyn Williams
The company has a working capital of just a thousand pounds in its accounts.....
BBC News - Fracking: Coastal Oil and Gas Ltd backs Osborne support
The applications he has put in for licensing are not for fracking.... but for drilling , which don't need the further licences of hazardous waste disposal , and radiological waste disposal (dissolved out of the shale into the "produced" (contaminated) water by the fracking solvents) a far easier sell to get past the application process .... He just has to show that the gas is there ....and then potentially resell the mineral licence block at a vastly inflated price to a company that actually have the resource to do the fracking and exploit the gas ...He just has to provide the capital to hire in a drill crew who will just do a straight core sample ...It all seems quite speculative ....but these core licences are being tried out all over south west Wales to see what council and community will bite ......And once that's accepted then the waste licences and extraction get applied for ...but then that will be someone elses problem ...that have the resources to deal with it .
All has a sort of depressing inevitability about it .....
We are not going to get cheaper gas ....It will still be at whatever the gas is priced on the open market ....
Fairly interesting meeting last night ,about 70 people turned up .......An American journo and a green party candidate did most of the talking ....
...According to the green party candidate Andy Chyba.... the grand sounding company who bought up the 10km2 mineral blocks for around £2k ...Coastal oil and gas is run out of a top floor of a shed on bridgend businesses park directed by Gerwyn Williams and a few of his mates .... who has a few more companies from this address .
Gerwyn Llewellyn Williams
The company has a working capital of just a thousand pounds in its accounts.....
BBC News - Fracking: Coastal Oil and Gas Ltd backs Osborne support
The applications he has put in for licensing are not for fracking.... but for drilling , which don't need the further licences of hazardous waste disposal , and radiological waste disposal (dissolved out of the shale into the "produced" (contaminated) water by the fracking solvents) a far easier sell to get past the application process .... He just has to show that the gas is there ....and then potentially resell the mineral licence block at a vastly inflated price to a company that actually have the resource to do the fracking and exploit the gas ...He just has to provide the capital to hire in a drill crew who will just do a straight core sample ...It all seems quite speculative ....but these core licences are being tried out all over south west Wales to see what council and community will bite ......And once that's accepted then the waste licences and extraction get applied for ...but then that will be someone elses problem ...that have the resources to deal with it .
All has a sort of depressing inevitability about it .....
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
and now this bollocks about giving the local community 1% of the profits! 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23069499
oh and another "there's loads more, yipee!" or "there could be a load more but we don't really know how much of it would be any use"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23069499
oh and another "there's loads more, yipee!" or "there could be a load more but we don't really know how much of it would be any use"
spacemonkey
I Love Noodles
I'm not sure that's the best attitude to have. We already pollute enough of the world with our demand for goods and energy. If we want/need the gas, we should face the consequences in our own boarders, not fuck someone else over.
Plus we can't even buy shale gas from the US yet. There are plans to export, but it's not guaranteed.
Buying the entirety of our future gas demand on the open market is going to result in punishing price rises. Plus there's absolutely no guarantee of delivery. Due to the north sea we failed to sign any long term supply contracts. We are bottom of the list of most exporting countries if supply is tight. It hasn't been a problem so far, but it will in the future.
This makes me sound pro-fracking, I'm not. Just at the moment, the short-term alternatives look more grim. Long-term we're fucked either way.
bendeus
Bellend Tagline Generator
I'm not sure that's the best attitude to have. We already pollute enough of the world with our demand for goods and energy. If we want/need the gas, we should face the consequences in our own boarders, not fuck someone else over.
Plus we can't even buy shale gas from the US yet. There are plans to export, but it's not guaranteed.
Buying the entirety of our future gas demand on the open market is going to result in punishing price rises. Plus there's absolutely no guarantee of delivery. Due to the north sea we failed to sign any long term supply contracts. We are bottom of the list of most exporting countries if supply is tight. It hasn't been a problem so far, but it will in the future.
This makes me sound pro-fracking, I'm not. Just at the moment, the short-term alternatives look more grim. Long-term we're fucked either way.
As a previously 'renewables or bust'-ite I'd have to agree. It appears to be a case of what kind of bread you'd like in your shit sandwich, and as a resident of the potentially worst-affected area I'd have to say that I'd prefer this to importing LNG from Qatar, which in turn is paying for adventures in Libya/Syria, and having a more detrimental impact on the environment.
bendeus
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If only we could ensure that this particular carbon wealth grab would benefit the citizens of Wales and not be offshored immediately. We must have learned our lessons from the last time they discovered untold wealth beneath the ground in the locality.
Oh, hang on......
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Frumious B.
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No way will UK hydrocarbons be left underground, they'll all be grabbed just as soon as it's economically viable. There's been drilling for oil in Kent beauty spots for thirty years or so. They haven't produced any yet (I don't think) but eventually new technology will make production profitable. And if they can get away with it in the Home Counties, Wales will be a pushover. I mean, who gives a damn about Wales???
Tankus
Amused OAP
The guy who owns the bulk of the mineral extraction licences in south Wales has five companies with a total reserve capital of £1208 .......two of his companies only have £4 in the bank.....
Dunno if he's fronting other people .....but it seems real seat of the pants stuff financially..... He's certainly not one of the big boyos...
Just running a few test bores , the renting of the drill rigs and riggers are going to set him back quite a bit.... Not to mention the appeals and legal advice that's coming
The bigger companies seem to be going for the Bowland shales in the midlands, so it looks like Wales is more on the fringes and its England that's going to bear the brunt
Dunno if he's fronting other people .....but it seems real seat of the pants stuff financially..... He's certainly not one of the big boyos...
Just running a few test bores , the renting of the drill rigs and riggers are going to set him back quite a bit.... Not to mention the appeals and legal advice that's coming
The bigger companies seem to be going for the Bowland shales in the midlands, so it looks like Wales is more on the fringes and its England that's going to bear the brunt
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Tankus
Amused OAP
Its a bridgend geezer thats owning the Welsh exploration .
Happy fracking speech by ...errr..... fat english tory https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/uk-onshore-production-michael-fallon
Considering there is an immediate 20% drop in property prices in a fracking area , that £100k would cover the loss of just about 2 Cowbridge house sales ....heh
Happy fracking speech by ...errr..... fat english tory https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/uk-onshore-production-michael-fallon
Considering there is an immediate 20% drop in property prices in a fracking area , that £100k would cover the loss of just about 2 Cowbridge house sales ....heh
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
they now have a site http://www.llantrithyd.com/
Tankus
Amused OAP
I'm wondering if Gerwyn its looking at Balcombe with some trepidation as the costs mount up over the delays inflicted upon Cuadrilla 's effort to run a test bore...( the next greenham common, ?)
The police costs alone have hit £730k already even before this weekend. http://m.wscountytimes.co.uk/news/l...-protest-policing-costs-now-730-000-1-5399111
He does not have the financial depth of Cuadrillias hedge funded backer's
The police costs alone have hit £730k already even before this weekend. http://m.wscountytimes.co.uk/news/l...-protest-policing-costs-now-730-000-1-5399111
He does not have the financial depth of Cuadrillias hedge funded backer's
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
38 degrees petition fwiw
http://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/say-no-to-fracking-in-south-wales?
http://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/say-no-to-fracking-in-south-wales?
teqniq
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