Football Lads Against Fascism

[Magnus McGinty]

It’s specifically to mirror the FLA even our logo is an appropriation of the FLA

Yes, I know that, I was countering the odd stance that it isn’t common vernacular/ or outside of Scotland.

 

[manji]

We weren’t even going to uses lasses. Then it developed into lasses or lassies. But a lot of females are involved so we agreed to it.
I knew a few smart arses would latch on to it. Heard it all before.

 

[manji]

Yes, I know that, I was countering the odd stance that it isn’t common vernacular/ or outside of Scotland.

Lassies is Scotland.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

We weren’t even going to uses lasses. Then it developed into lasses or lassies. But a lot of females are involved so we agreed to it.
I knew a few smart arses would latch on to it. Heard it all before.

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Lassies is Scotland.

I was merely pointing out that it’s common vernacular in the NE England to those I quoted; it wasn’t a criticism aimed at FLAF so I’ve no idea what we’re disagreeing about.

 

[manji]

I was merely pointing out that it’s common vernacular in the NE England to those I quoted; it wasn’t a criticism aimed at FLAF so I’ve no idea what we’re disagreeing about.

Point taken.

 

[SpackleFrog]

To suggest that the only people handing out sticker are the SWP is laughable.

I'm not, I'm saying they are the only people using them where I am, and that I'd like to get involved but not with them.

I'm not unsympathetic to what you're saying and I appreciate it's only been going a few weeks. I'm just asking for ways to get involved/do something with it beyond stickering places.

 

[SpackleFrog]

How is who organised a meeting in Cardiff relevant to you??
Maybe search the page for "Sheffield" and see who's fucking posted. HTH

Fighting racism on the terraces everywhere is relevant to all of us everywhere

 

[ddraig]

Fighting racism on the terraces everywhere is relevant to all of us everywhere

yes of course
does not invalidate what I said

 

[manji]

I'm not, I'm saying they are the only people using them where I am, and that I'd like to get involved but not with them.

I'm not unsympathetic to what you're saying and I appreciate it's only been going a few weeks. I'm just asking for ways to get involved/do something with it beyond stickering places.

At the moment we are at the stickering networking stage. It’s grown faster and bigger than we expected. I have gone from myself and another person in my club, to now we have large groups in 7 clubs in my area. We exchange information, we are having an informal meet this weekend.

 

[SpackleFrog]

At the moment we are at the stickering networking stage. It’s grown faster and bigger than we expected. I have gone from myself and another person in my club, to now we have large groups in 7 clubs in my area. We exchange information, we are having an informal meet this weekend.

That's excellent, well done.

 

[manji]

That's excellent, well done.

Thanks but it’s happening all over the country.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Thanks but it’s happening all over the country.

Again, that's excellent, be great to hear about anything happening in South Yorkshire!

 

[The39thStep]

Theres beginning to be a bit of news on Twitter

 

[manji]

Again, that's excellent, be great to hear about anything happening in South Yorkshire!

They demos aren’t going to happen straight away . It’s about networking and forming groups. Just message anyone who lives near you or supports the same team.
Three of us ( we didn’t know each other) just went for a coffee the other day. Coordinated stickering , exchanged info on known FLA members etc. Might not sound much but we have quite a formidable grouping in my area now and we aren’t placard carriers.

 

[SpackleFrog]

They demos aren’t going to happen straight away . It’s about networking and forming groups. Just message anyone who lives near you or supports the same team.
Three of us ( we didn’t know each other) just went for a coffee the other day. Coordinated stickering , exchanged info on known FLA members etc. Might not sound much but we have quite a formidable grouping in my area now and we aren’t placard carriers.

No that sounds great and how you've gotta do it innit. It might be slightly tougher for me - I'm an exile. I know of people who are interested/following the FLAF stuff at my hometown club, and I know a few people who go to Wednesday matches and go along with them now and again, but I'm not in a position to take any kind of lead among Wednesday fans. But talking about it with football fans I know and thinking about what I can do.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I know a few Blades as well to be fair but fuck the piggies innit, only been there as an away fan

 

[butchersapron]

Coffee?

 

[ddraig]

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[gawkrodger]

 

[butchersapron]

Apparently someone/some people are posting on the FLAF page/group as me and trying to cause mischief. It isn't me.

(Longer term posters can probably guess whose behind this nonsense after near 15 years of this bullshit. Odd how this started almost as soon as i mentioned flimsier (who we know still reads here) as now running a free school).

 

[sealion]

That's portsmouths mob who had a rep for being racist bitd!

 

[The39thStep]

We've had a bit of a Twitter/social media 'conversation' with the DFLA, mainly outing known fash and Orange order in their ranks. They posted this (below) on their facebook page which is interesting if rambling and at times 'imaginative'

If there are two words that can be lethal in a political conversation, that can stop an argument dead and lead it off into a tit for tat session of insults they are “Far Right”

The far right do exist, but like cockroaches they scatter when you throw light on them, they seem to have no logical debates, no reasonable solutions, just one of hatred and as Paul weller said, “hatred offers a solution but never one for long”

The DFLA are real enough, dedicated enough and determined enough to stay true to the cause and fight for justice and put an end to extremism of all forms.

We understand there is a need for tolerance, indeed we can tell the difference between tolerance and acceptance.

We know and appreciate people have different views, I mean come on, how many times have you wanted to punch a mate as he defends that dodgy centre half your team bought for 12 million and scored an own goal on his debut, as he claims in fact the all dancing all singing centre back is the defending genius football has craved for?

Yeah we know all about difference of opinion. We know that we do not always see eye to eye, but we love our differences.

I think that people in the DFLA have more experiences of England and the world than people give us credit for and far more than a vast majority on the left.

We praise unendingly players that have massively unpronounceable names, and often bemoan their performance. I remember Sergei Nikolayevich Yuran playing for Millwall, I ended up just calling him “Dave the Russian”. I just did not have the dexterity of tongue to say his name. Sorry Dave.

Many fans are like that, yet when a player scores for our team we leap about like a person inflicted with St Vitus dance who has had too many disco biscuits. We would invite him round to marry our sister, regardless of race or colour if he scores a Wembley winner, thus the complex nature of a football lad.

We travel far and wide to see our teams play, we cheer our teams on in Europe, England, even in America and we get to experience many different cultures and meet people. We are in fact probably the most exposed people to foreign influence than others.

Indeed we drink alcohol and eat fish and chips. Oldest brewery ever found in Israel and fish and chips brought to England by Jewish immigrants from Portugal (that Jewish conspiracy to take over the world, we fell for it lads and lasses!) we were trapped before we knew it.

Yet we are called racist. Baffles me that.

I do not believe there is a racist DFLA member, if any were to raise their head above the parapet they would be challenged straight away, I have forgotten the last time I saw a racist comment on our page to be honest.

Mind you, if there are racists members then they are engaged in rational debate and they soon leave or accept they are wrong and change. Racism cannot be tolerated.

 

[The39thStep]

Part 2

Unfortunately, the DFLA have noticed that on Saturday a few BNP were at our Protest against the rape and abuse of women and children.

At this point I would like to thank Gemma Goldsmith for the photos she took, advising us of these vermin who infiltrated a non racist and peaceful demo. Great work Emma. Credit where credit is due.

She took photos of Kevin Scott and John McCaffrey at our demo, both of whom are BNP, she also managed to take photos of Neo-Nazi Jack Peter Smith, who was actively trying to cause trouble, to bring the DFLA into disrepute.

See for me, Nazis infiltrate everyone out there. For a laugh I once asked a person who could find things out, “how many nf in Antifa? “

They did not reply just smiled. A few days later she said, “16” Then added, “they are everywhere”

It is a common tactic nowadays to be a fifth columnist and be in a movement. Feedback information on what works, what does not work, who is a leading light, who is stupid. Governments do it, companies do it, even schools do it. It happens all over, but does it make the group far right or far left? Of course not. This is a simple act of keeping up with the Joneses.

To be fair I think the Labour Party is so full of BNP it hurts, only Diane Abbot and Jeremy Corbyn are Labour, how else do you explain the amount of anti-semitic attitude?

But seriously, let us face facts, the far right exist, maybe as a small group, but they exist.

They are in antifa, they are in SUTR, they are in Hope not Hate. They infiltrate, it’s what they do, then like termites they eat from within bringing the structure to ruin and causing its downfall or weakening it and compromising its leadership.

How else do you think the problems of Comrade X and his rape of a female comrade come to light?

My friend who gave me this information advised me the Panel included a BNP infiltrator who defended comrade X to the hilt, she was on the panel apparently.

See for us, we know that we are heavily watched, we know that our opponents will use every tactic against us, so we play as Sun Tzu said, “Where the enemy thinks you may be weak, pretend you are strong”

This has worked to our advantage, and Emma Goldsmith inadvertently gave us much needed information.

See the thing with Nazis is they are very limited in their thinking, very limited in their approach. In this they are like the extreme left, they repeat slogans, they repeat phrases, they do not learn or adapt. Have you ever seen an argument between left and right? It gets so dull and boring, like constantly listening to the chimes of Big Ben, or a chemical brothers album.

But with Nazis, oh they are so special, the kind of special that watches “The Hills have eyes” and think it's a documentary like Blue Planet, or Panorama.

I remember once a post put up on a page. It was a picture of an EU politician asking, “What shall we do with all the immigrants? “ Underneath was a picture of Hitler smiling with his hand up. The meaning was clear, yet its understanding of a situation was way of target, horribly so.

You see in August 1944 Germany was employing 7.5 million foreign workers. 2 million of these were POW’s yet they were employed. Further to this there was a directive that these foreign workers, “had to be given adequate food and pay and that attempts had to be made to integrate them fully into every day German life”

Obviously as the war ground on attitude changed, but it shows the Nazis original idea.

But did it end there, just foreign labour?

Well no, it did not. The 13th Waffen SS Division “Handschar” and 21 Waffen SS Division “Skandberg” were both Muslim divisions. In fact, 21 countries contributed to the Waffen SS, including India, “The Tiger Legion” and ashamedly England, the Legion of St. George.

So this vague notion the far right cling on to, about a pure race, Hitler being their hero of race purity is a load of bollocks.

It just does not stand up to rational debate.

Now this is where our little Bohemian Corporal contradicts himself, not content with being a brown haired, dwarf Hitler insisted the pure Aryan race is blonde haired and blonde eyed.

Now really Adolf, I mean really? He is employing foreign labour, he is recruiting foreign troops into his own Waffen SS to fight for his Riech.

Does it mean we should actually look at Hitler as some hero of racial unity?

No, it means we should look at the dullard for what he is, a retard who contradicts himself, who is happily followed by the grandchildren of those he tried to kill.

That about sums up the modern nazi, it sums up their ethos.

They claim to be against immigration, but love Hitler, Hitler employed 7.5 million foreign workers.

They claim to be against Muslims but love Hitler, yet Muslim divisions fought in the Waffen SS.

They deny the holocaust, yet love Hitler and praise him for killing so many Jews.

This is your bogeyman, the nazi. So confused and so unaware of actual historical fact.

The lads and lasses of the DFLA care about one thing, an end to extremism, an end to racism, to copy a famous and Legendary man: The DFLA want to seek a society at peace with itself, a society that can live with its conscious. That will be a day not of the white man, nor of the black man, but a society of man as man!”

Martin Luther King said that. Society has lost that vision we have come to see victims of Rape and Terrorism not as people, but as political scoring points to be used as we please, from the media to politicians, from left to right. You are not a man or a woman, you are a voter, you are left wing, right wing, a statistic, you are not a man or a woman. But that is how we need to see:Man as Man.

See a nazi will never fit in, cannot ever fit in, you do not feel as we do, you do not see as we do, you do not understand as we do.

Stand by what the Great Martin Luther King said, see the day of man as man and then join us, but until that day, do not attend our demonstrations, we do not need you amongst us, do not want you amongst us.

Your ideology is a mess, your cowardly Fuhrer hid underground and shot his wife, wife abuser that he was, and he tried to kill your Grandparents.

Yet you think you have answers for this country, think you are the font of all wisdom?

You are like scarecrows masturbating, you are clutching at straws if you think you are welcome in the DFLA.

We do not need your failed Politics from a failed corporal from a world 70+ years ago that led to the death of millions and the extreme persecution of millions more.

So do me a favour, carry on with your games with other groups, you will get away with it there.

We are watched like hawks, SUTR are our mossad, they will spot a nazi a mile off and they will out you. In turn we will hunt you out of our group.

Change your view, denounce Fascism and you may find redemption in fighting for justice for all colours and religions, those victims of terrorism, of rape, of abuse, of racism.

Keep your views and you will be pushed out to your ever shrinking group of racist wife murdering wannabes.

Choice is yours.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Saint Tommy doesn’t appear to have featured in their denunciations.

 

[TopCat]

Apparently someone/some people are posting on the FLAF page/group as me and trying to cause mischief. It isn't me.

(Longer term posters can probably guess whose behind this nonsense after near 15 years of this bullshit. Odd how this started almost as soon as i mentioned flimsier (who we know still reads here) as now running a free school).

...

 

[Patteran]

Referring to the opposition as 'our mossad' while presenting anti-nazi credentials is a bit of an own goal. It's interesting that they're taking note of the criticisms, attempting to answer them. It's an example of the changing, adaptive (contingent? I never know if i'm using that word correctly) aspect of socialised politics, isn't it? The Front's crude 70s approach is no longer useful, Nazis were always a hard sell in England, so reactionary elements articulate themselves in newer ways that stay closer to perceived common sense. Lee Rigby's deranged murderer is despised for his actions primarily, & secondly for his perceived-motivating Muslimness - his blackness doesn't feature, at least not explicitly. The word 'race' gets swapped in favour of 'culture', but the appeal to & of homogeneity remains. So the new DFLA can be anti-racist - just like English football, & just as inclusive as the British Army. Still doesn't explain why they've declared Celtic 'extremists' & are trying to batter RMT members. Acting as a disciplinary force on labour is text-book fascist behaviour. Which fits, because a fella apparently close to their leadership certainly thinks of himself as a text-book mussolini-type fascist who maintains Italian fascism wasn't particularly racist.

Perhaps this is will become part of the new politics. 80s/90s we had large solidarity demonstrations with respectable heads & militant tails. The trades unionists & MPs at the front with the banners & the cameras could disassociate themselves to a large extent from the direct action taking place in the sidestreets, before & afterwards. Now we're witnessing large negative-solidarity demonstrations, UKIP & DFLA leadership at the front, & a deniable far-right element always present on the margins. It does make it to hard to counter in general terms, in soundbite or slogan terms. Fair play to FLAF for drawing them out, forcing them to articulate political positions that can be criticised properly - that is, not just condemned or sneered at, but investigated in terms of 'what conditions make these positions seem reasonable?'

 

[Fallon]

Going to go to this march in October. The FLAF is the most intersting development in anti fascism in Britain in many years.

 

[flyingcolumn]

The founder of the FLAF was praising the actual FLA on his Red Action FB page when they first formed and the months that followed.

 

[Fallon]

The founder of the FLAF was praising the actual FLA on his Red Action FB page when they first formed and the months that followed.

I followed those threads on the Facebook page and the above is incorrect.