Football Lads Against Fascism

[Pickman's model]

Is Tomeh behind this?

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i thought the european defence league was the armed wing of the remain campaign

 

[Pickman's model]

It's still kind of funny to me how the only people who invoke the idea of "Europe" are either white supremacists who think we need to refight the Crusades or liberal remain ultras who think we need to refight the 2016 referendum. We didn't vote to get Brexit done just to have the European Defence League telling us what to do, etc.

i think nietzsche would have approved of a european defence league. but not this one.

 

[BristolEcho]

The next date “Tommy” is promoting on Twitter is July 27th.

That's also the day of trans pride in London.

 

[Pickman's model]

There may also be the relationship that Searchlight had with leftist anti fascist groups form late eighties through the nineties.
For instance ANL2, where the likes of P.S and Julie Waterson took intelligence and advice, many times to their detriment during this period. When UAF was established, amalgamating with NAAR and similar groups, the relationship between UAF and Searchlight may have diminished and Nick Lowles may have actively and oppotunistically picked up on this for H'n'H.

Hope Not Hate has been actively and openly involved with Anti Fascist stuff in the last major period 5-10 yrs ago, while Searchlight has not so much, possibly concentrating on non domestic 'extremist' and fash groups and intelligence.

YRE actively worked with Searchlight right up in to 21st Century, significantly around intelligence gathering on Fash.
However there may be differences to approaches as Millies and SP were also involved with No Platform and other 'militant' anti fascist and anti racist groups.
Hope Not Hate may be more 'user friendly' and have less of a stigma than Searchlight and feed less bullshight to anti fascist andanti racist campaigners with regards, for example intelligence for activities and counter demonstrations.

many years ago i got some useful stuff from searchlight, in a context of a trade union anti-fascist initiative. but the man who gave me it was probably the only person i've met that i'd describe as oily and repellent. having said that i have no more confidence in hnh than i do in searchlight, that they have their state-oriented agenda and by no means put promotion of anti-fascism first

 

[Larry O'Hara]

many years ago i got some useful stuff from searchlight, in a context of a trade union anti-fascist initiative. but the man who gave me it was probably the only person i've met that i'd describe as oily and repellent. having said that i have no more confidence in hnh than i do in searchlight, that they have their state-oriented agenda and by no means put promotion of anti-fascism first

Or even second: was it Tony Robson by the way?

 

[Pickman's model]

Or even second

no indeed. tbh they've such a clear interest in there being a continuing fascist threat that at best they want to see it contained and certain more outre fascists curtailed. if they really wanted to see fascists defeated they'd have provided their information to afa and antifa no strings attached. but as you've pointed out on numerous occasions they are a wing of the state.

 

[Fedayn]

Or even second: was it Tony Robson by the way?

A Geordie was he not? Well from the north-east. I used to speak to him v early 90s.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

That's also the day of trans pride in London.

What’s Tomeh got planned for that day, do we know? Fozzie Bear ?

 

[Pickman's model]

Or even second: was it Tony Robson by the way?

i'm sorry, i can't now recall but the name is familiar

 

[Fozzie Bear]

What’s Tomeh got planned for that day, do we know? Fozzie Bear ?

I don’t think there’s any other info yet…

 

[Larry O'Hara]

A Geordie was he not? Well from the north-east. I used to speak to him v early 90s.

Yes

 

[manji]

I don't think you get my point and why H'n'H chose to target Socialist Fight around that time; i.e. concerning Momentum, Chris Williams. Gilad Atzmon playing Sax in band for benefit gig, witch hunting of Corbynistas in Labour Party.
(Whatever your or others position on this may be.)

I was thinking about this with regards, for example LAFA.
Without 'spilling the beans' around issues concerning it, their dissipation and presumable break-up on a public forum.

I am moderately aware of some of the info on this thread and trying to keep on with it is difficult . Who are LAFA ?

 

[Pickman's model]

I am moderately aware of some of the info on this thread and trying to keep on with it is difficult . Who are LAFA ?

London anti-fascist assembly

 

[Nigel]

I am moderately aware of some of the info on this thread and trying to keep on with it is difficult . Who are LAFA ?

London Anti-Fascist Assembly, Germany | radar.squat.net

Events at London Anti-Fascist Assembly. LAFA is a grassroots autonomous and non-hierarchichal collection of individuals committed to building a mass anti-fascist movement in London that is accessible and militant.

radar.squat.net

 

[Rob Ray]

LAFA is certainly hostile to Leninists but not in a particularly proactive way outside maybe the SWP afaik. They spend considerably more time beefing with other anti-fascists (FLAF included).

 

[manji]

Again I’m not as clued up as some on here so bear with me but I often felt the dislike of FLAF from say SUTR was the fact that FLAF was a roots up movement and hence any activity FLAF carried out the likes of SUTR couldn’t claim responsibility for.
Also FLAF have distanced themselves from the Anti Fa / St Pauli for that lots support of Israeli Anti Fa groups.
Clearly I’m aware but not so much about so much about the arcane network of U.K. leftist groups.

 

[The39thStep]

Again I’m not as clued up as some on here so bear with me but I often felt the dislike of FLAF from say SUTR was the fact that FLAF was a roots up movement and hence any activity FLAF carried out the likes of SUTR couldn’t claim responsibility for.
Also FLAF have distanced themselves from the Anti Fa / St Pauli for that lots support of Israeli Anti Fa groups.
Clearly I’m aware but not so much about so much about the arcane network of U.K. leftist groups.

I still like some of the basic politics that the SWP's was founded on and its predecessor I.S. However, what I could never stomach during my years of being a member was the apparent need for them to control rather than influence/support other initiatives. Or even critically support.

 

[Lotte]

Re the JDL, the EDL had a Jewish Division and there was a lot of overlap between them and the actual JDL, although IIRC most of the Jewish Division were Christians. One of their leaders was a woman called Roberta Moore who called pro-Palestine Jews 'kapos', because opposing genocide is the same as shoving your fellow Jews into an oven, and bragged about walking around Mea Sharim with her tits out. The Jewish Division also caused a split in the EDL because some of the members didn't like having to march alongside Jews and thought Tommy was too pro-Jewish, so they split off and formed the Infidels.

I fucking hate Jews who march alongside Nazis. Like, are you forgetting the whole Holocaust thing? They don't like you and they never will, you are useful idiots, and they would happily shove you in a gas chamber. And Kahanists are the absolute worst. There were a few of them in the Jewish Society at Manchester and they were nasty bastards.

 

[The39thStep]

Re the JDL, the EDL had a Jewish Division and there was a lot of overlap between them and the actual JDL, although IIRC most of the Jewish Division were Christians. One of their leaders was a woman called Roberta Moore who called pro-Palestine Jews 'kapos', because opposing genocide is the same as shoving your fellow Jews into an oven, and bragged about walking around Mea Sharim with her tits out. The Jewish Division also caused a split in the EDL because some of the members didn't like having to march alongside Jews and thought Tommy was too pro-Jewish, so they split off and formed the Infidels.

I fucking hate Jews who march alongside Nazis. Like, are you forgetting the whole Holocaust thing? They don't like you and they never will, you are useful idiots, and they would happily shove you in a gas chamber. And Kahanists are the absolute worst. There were a few of them in the Jewish Society at Manchester and they were nasty bastards.

The Jewish Board of Deputies had to step in to stop a group of Manchester Zionists holding a meeting with Tommy Robinson a few years ago

 

[Lotte]

Were they JDL? Wonder if I know any of them. There was a guy at my synagogue who was a hardcore Zionist and I was always a bit scared of him because I remember him really kicking off at one of the choir members over car parking.

It's a shame about Searchlight too. You'd think they'd want to work with Antifa and AFA, surely?

 

[The39thStep]

Were they JDL? Wonder if I know any of them. There was a guy at my synagogue who was a hardcore Zionist and I was always a bit scared of him because I remember him really kicking off at one of the choir members over car parking.

It's a shame about Searchlight too. You'd think they'd want to work with Antifa and AFA, surely?

Held in Prestwich as I recall

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Were they JDL? Wonder if I know any of them. There was a guy at my synagogue who was a hardcore Zionist and I was always a bit scared of him because I remember him really kicking off at one of the choir members over car parking.

It's a shame about Searchlight too. You'd think they'd want to work with Antifa and AFA, surely?

Searchlight did work with AFA: indeed they controlled Leeds AFA using the likes of Bowman/Fowlie. But then AFA nationally sussed they were working to the state’s agenda and proscribed them. Leeds AFA continued to work with Searchlight hence they were dissolved by AFA nationally. I’ll add a link in a minute

Here you go; NFB #2 article
Leeds has often been a site for dodgy stuff (and not just at Elland Road)

 

[hitmouse]

Again I’m not as clued up as some on here so bear with me but I often felt the dislike of FLAF from say SUTR was the fact that FLAF was a roots up movement and hence any activity FLAF carried out the likes of SUTR couldn’t claim responsibility for.
Also FLAF have distanced themselves from the Anti Fa / St Pauli for that lots support of Israeli Anti Fa groups.
Clearly I’m aware but not so much about so much about the arcane network of U.K. leftist groups.

This is the second time you've made this claim about "antifa" supporting the IDF, and you didn't back it up the last time either. It's true that FLAF have distanced themselves from St Pauli, who, like much of the German left, have a very poor line on Israel, but who else shares this position outside of Germany? If by "antifa" you mean the AFN, you can read an AFN statement on the matter here that's clearly not pro-Zionist; or if by "antifa" you mean LAFA, I don't think they're pro-Israel either. If you mean some kind of other group unaligned with either AFN or LAFA, you could make that clear, or if you're just talking about Germans and not referring to anyone in the UK you could make that clear as well. I appreciate that you say you're not fully clued up, but if you're not totally clear on a subject it's fine to ask other people to explain things, or just remain quiet, rather than making dodgy claims.


I'm not even particularly fond of much of what passes for the UK antifa scene, but I'm old-fashioned enough to think that if you're going to accuse someone of being pro-Zionist you ought to be able to back it up somehow.

 

[hitmouse]

The Jewish Board of Deputies had to step in to stop a group of Manchester Zionists holding a meeting with Tommy Robinson a few years ago

Were they JDL? Wonder if I know any of them. There was a guy at my synagogue who was a hardcore Zionist and I was always a bit scared of him because I remember him really kicking off at one of the choir members over car parking.

The Tommy Robinson event at Lower Broughton in Salford in 2019 sticks in my head, there was definitely a noticeable contingent of visible frummers there, along with proper full-on nazis like Tomasz Gawdziakowski.

Spoiler: nazis

Bit of a stressful day that was.

 

[Lotte]

I'm guessing he's of Polish descent. He evidently forgot what Nazis thought of Slavs. Thick twat.

 

[The39thStep]

The Tommy Robinson event at Lower Broughton in Salford in 2019 sticks in my head, there was definitely a noticeable contingent of visible frummers there, along with proper full-on nazis like Tomasz Gawdziakowski.

Spoiler: nazis

Bit of a stressful day that was.

Remember that , however, it wasn't the TR meeting.

 

[hitmouse]

Remember that , however, it wasn't the TR meeting.

Yeah, looks like that one was a few years earlier:

War of words after ex-EDL leader speaks at secretive Manchester event - Jewish News

Community figures reject association with Tommy Robinson, after he's believed to have addressed meeting in Prestwich

www.jewishnews.co.uk

Also apparently there was a bit of stuff about flyers aimed specifically at Jews from 2019:

Tommy Robinson 'not welcome' in Manchester, says local Jewish group - Jewish News

The posters were sent to homes in Manchester to promote Stephen Yaxley-Lennon's MEP campaign

www.jewishnews.co.uk

 

[manji]

This is the second time you've made this claim about "antifa" supporting the IDF, and you didn't back it up the last time either. It's true that FLAF have distanced themselves from St Pauli, who, like much of the German left, have a very poor line on Israel, but who else shares this position outside of Germany? If by "antifa" you mean the AFN, you can read an AFN statement on the matter here that's clearly not pro-Zionist; or if by "antifa" you mean LAFA, I don't think they're pro-Israel either. If you mean some kind of other group unaligned with either AFN or LAFA, you could make that clear, or if you're just talking about Germans and not referring to anyone in the UK you could make that clear as well. I appreciate that you say you're not fully clued up, but if you're not totally clear on a subject it's fine to ask other people to explain things, or just remain quiet, rather than making dodgy claims.

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I'm not even particularly fond of much of what passes for the UK antifa scene, but I'm old-fashioned enough to think that if you're going to accuse someone of being pro-Zionist you ought to be able to back it up somehow.

 

[hitmouse]

Which of those pictures show UK groups?