Firebox run by Counterfire: Champagne socialism.

[Delroy Booth]

I'm not saying it's right, but I've worked in loads of kitchens and cafe's and all that's pretty standard. You're lucky if you get minimum wage in some places. No-one ever takes a proper 20 minute break, if you're a smoker you get cigarette break every few hours or so. Cash in hand is fine for me, but it's pretty precarious you don't get much by way of rights.

 

[DotCommunist]

I'm not saying it's right, but I've worked in loads of kitchens and cafe's and all that's pretty standard. You're lucky if you get minimum wage in some places. No-one ever takes a proper 20 minute break, if you're a smoker you get cigarette break every few hours or so. Cash in hand is fine for me, but it's pretty precarious you don't get much by way of rights.

in an evil capitalist enterprise you take your cash in hand and eat the fecal matter, but in a purportedly left wing enterprise supposedly holding the torch for greek frappes everywhere (solidarity after my cup of Agitator!) you would expect better. I'm so outraged I nearly choked on my chickpea fritter.

 

[DotCommunist]

we should go in there and turn over the tables. Like the carpenters son.

 

[Delroy Booth]

in an evil capitalist enterprise you take your cash in hand and eat the fecal matter, but in a purportedly left wing enterprise supposedly holding the torch for greek frappes everywhere (solidarity after my cup of Agitator!) you would expect better. I'm so outraged I nearly choked on my chickpea fritter.

Well quite.

If only there was some kind of political tradition that advocated direct workers ownership and management we could draw on for inspiration...

 

[cesare]

Apparently the workers at Firebox in addition to having no breaks have no contract either.

Firebox has two months from commencement of employment to provide statement of terms and conditions. How long are their shifts? Under 6 hours and a break isn't required.

 

[equationgirl]

It's not exactly uncommon for official rules to be flouted for some extra non-taxed pick-me-up cash in a kebab shop or some cafes, but that's quite a strong allegation about a revolutionist cafe there.

What allegation? That there's no contracts and breaks?

 

[DrRingDing]

Firebox has two months from commencement of employment to provide statement of terms and conditions. How long are their shifts? Under 6 hours and a break isn't required.

The number of hours worked varies.

 

[cesare]

The number of hours worked varies.

Have they been complaining to you about contracts and breaks? It's just that obv there's loads of people that can give you info and advice if needed, but no point posting up a load of stuff speculatively.

 

[DrRingDing]

Have they been complaining to you about contracts and breaks? It's just that obv there's loads of people that can give you info and advice if needed, but no point posting up a load of stuff speculatively.

Yea but then we don't get to publicly call out the hypocrisy of the middle class uber trots.

 

[The39thStep]

Is this an opportunity for the anarchist scene to organise workers at Firebox?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Yea but then we don't get to publicly call out the hypocrisy of the middle class uber trots.

I'm reluctant to leap to the defence of the post-trot scum but I'm not convinced what you're saying is true.

If it is true - then it sounds like a perfect opportunity for the IWW to move in and attempt to organise.

 

[cesare]

I'm reluctant to leap to the defence of the post-trot scum but I'm not convinced what you're saying is true.

If it is true - then it sounds like a perfect opportunity for the IWW to move in and attempt to organise.

It's always best to check the facts before wading in, aye. Otherwise you look daft (even just for taking the piss) plus it undermines any future challenges by the workers "well you got that last thing wrong, why should we take your complaint about X seriously this time?". Also, it's possible for genuine mistakes especially with new initiatives.

IWW, sure. Or even to just distribute a few "stuff your boss" leaflets which will provide information and encourage self organisation. Also keeping mr steps happy.

 

[The39thStep]

It's always best to check the facts before wading in, aye. Otherwise you look daft (even just for taking the piss) plus it undermines any future challenges by the workers "well you got that last thing wrong, why should we take your complaint about X seriously this time?". Also, it's possible for genuine mistakes especially with new initiatives.

IWW, sure. Or even to just distribute a few "stuff your boss" leaflets which will provide information and encourage self organisation. Also keeping mr steps happy.

This is historically where the anarchist scene has failed imo

 

[Captain Hurrah]

Distributing leaflets?

 

[cesare]

This is historically where the anarchist scene has failed imo

I know

 

[cesare]

Distributing leaflets?

Or email em. Or just provide a link. Or someone could go in and explain it. Etc.

 

[DrRingDing]

Or email em. Or just provide a link. Or someone could go in and explain it. Etc.

Don't be a patronising tit.

Bequeath your superior wisdom to the workers.

 

[DrRingDing]

I'm reluctant to leap to the defence of the post-trot scum but I'm not convinced what you're saying is true.

It makes sense not to believe what you read on the t'interweb.

But in this case it's true.

 

[cesare]

Don't be a patronising tit.

Bequeath your superior wisdom to the workers.

Why don't you fuck off? There's nothing fucking wrong with providing information in a variety of ways and if it's done in a way that encourages workers to self organise it would mean they didn't need wankstains like you trying to find out for them.

 

[DrRingDing]

Why don't you fuck off? There's nothing fucking wrong with providing information in a variety of ways and if it's done in a way that encourages workers to self organise it would mean they didn't need wankstains like you trying to find out for them.

What type of person do you think works in Firebox?

You sound like a middle class trot to be fair.

 

[lefteri]

This is going to drive the Cuts Cafe out of business

http://bambuser.com/v/3027518#t=1166s

apologies if this has already been covered, I'm new to this thread and can't be arsed wading through 21 pages of bickering, but cuts cafe drove itself out of 'business' - it was a temporary setup and was dismantled the morning of the oct 20th march, I was told this was always the plan although that was not particularly clear from the website or the way it was discussed on here - seemed to me a shame that all that effort couldn't be sustained longer once they found a suitable space to squat but there you go

 

[cesare]

What type of person do you think works in Firebox?

You sound like a middle class trot to be fair.

The sort of person that works in Firebox is probably the sort of person that works in cafe/bars everywhere. Or are you suggesting that there's something different about Firebox workers (apart from the better terms and conditions that we've seen advertised).

So if you don't want an IWW or a SOLFEd approach, which is what you've had so far, what do you want? The fucking links to the relevant info have already been provided by equation girl. Or do you want loads more and a copy of the fucking legislation too?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

It makes sense not to believe what you read on the t'interweb.

But in this case it's true.

You don't have a very good history on this thread when it comes to Firebox so forgive my scepticism.

 

[DrRingDing]

I'd like you to continue not using your noggin and making a prize penis of yourself.

 

[DrRingDing]

You don't have a very good history on this thread when it comes to Firebox so forgive my scepticism.

Err. Where do I not have a very good history with Firebox ?

 

[The39thStep]

I'd like you to continue not using your noggin and making a prize penis of yourself.

so what is your plan to engage with the staff at Firebox?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

The sort of person that works in Firebox is probably the sort of person that works in cafe/bars everywhere. Or are you suggesting that there's something different about Firebox workers (apart from the better terms and conditions that we've seen advertised).

So if you don't want an IWW or a SOLFEd approach, which is what you've had so far, what do you want? The fucking links to the relevant info have already been provided by equation girl. Or do you want loads more and a copy of the fucking legislation too?

I don't think he really cares about the workers he's just wants to stir things up against Firebox

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Err. Where do I not have a very good history with Firebox ?

First post on the thread and from then on - your latest unevidenced claims are just a continuation of that theme.

 

[DrRingDing]

so what is your plan to engage with the staff at Firebox?

How do you think I know the conditions of the workers if I haven't been engaged with them?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

so what is your plan to engage with the staff at Firebox?

To shout at them whether it is a workers coop and then run away giggling