Finding "The Plot to Seize the White House"

[Idris2002]

Which you can see for yourself by entering the title here (Search the Integrated Catalogue, uise Advanced Search, enter the exact title, search by Word from title and say "yes" to Exact phrase?.

Sure. . . that's what they want you to think.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

It'll probably turn out to be mysteriously missing. Or they won't let you have access to the library. Or something.

And the Library of Congress Online Catalog is unavailable at the moment. Suspicious or what?

 

[DrRingDing]

Well, the publishers went out of business soon after the book was published - so the remainder might well have been pulped to meet their debts. Without knowing exactly how many were originally printed and sold you've just guessing really.

Well there's 138 books published before and after "The plot to seize the whitehouse" by Hawthorn Books written by Jules Archer.

It's possible the copies got pulped but unlikely in the face of these finds IMO.

link...

http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?pn="hawthorn+books"&kn=archer&sortby=0

 

[butchersapron]

I can't think of any logical reason why they would keep them.

Well, that wouold depend on the nature of their debt and what they're forced to do to meet them - but that still doesn't mean that the book would be easier to find, whether they'd kept the rights or not. In fact, it probably wouldn't affect the books availibility at all.

Look, there's one thing io know a fair bit about and that's finding rare books - and a book like this, one that was publsihed by a small press that's gone out of business 30 years ago is going to be very hard to find - esp given that these muckraking books have at various times ince then been very collectible - i think the prices asked, whilst steep are in line with what i would expect them to be.

As for the info in the book, well it's all availible isn't it? Archer managed to write his book in the pre-internet days by looking at other books and things like the congressional record - it's still out there if you want to find it.

 

[butchersapron]

Well there's 138 books published before and after "The plot to seize the whitehouse" by Hawthorn Books written by Jules Archer.

It's possible the copies got pulped but unlikely in the face of these finds IMO.

link...

http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?pn="hawthorn+books"&kn=archer&sortby=0

That still doesn't help establish just how many were printed, how many were sold and what happened to the stock following the publishers collapse. That's what you need to find out.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?pn="hawthorn+books"&kn=archer&sortby=0

 

[Brainaddict]

Then please provide us with names of books that were bestsellers in their day that are not availible now.

Also can you find another book by Archer that is unavailiable.

If you can't then that statement needs to be taken back.

No, you're getting it the wrong way round. You're the one with something to prove. So you provide a list of books from the same era, with similar print runs and uptake by the public, along with their current availability and price. Then if the facts suggest something dodgy you might have a case. The opponents of your theory don't have to prove anything negative until you've proved something positive.

 

[DrRingDing]

Donna, honey, are there many books published that the British library doesn't have?

Find me a copy for sale and suck your barcode gun.

 

[DrRingDing]

The opponents of your theory don't have to prove anything negative until you've proved something positive.

Fuck sake man, I expected better from you.

I say "Books written by one author, published by a particular company are all availible apart from one, one that was written not towards the end of the companies life. It was a popular book but still no copies about today. I find this odd"

You say "nah"

Brilliant work

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Donna, honey, are there many books published that the British library doesn't have?

Many. What point would you be proposing to attach to that question?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

(PS There's a copy in the Library of Congress.)

 

[DrRingDing]

(PS There's a copy in the Library of Congress.)

That's all well and good but have you found one for sale?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

No, I've found two available for anybody to read.

 

[DrRingDing]

No, I've found two available for anybody to read.

How would I read it then?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Scan each page visually and turn to the next one when you've finished.

 

[maes]

 

[DrRingDing]

Yes, highly amusing Donna.

 

[DrRingDing]

Not everybody is a librarian.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Indeed, most of the people who read books in libraries are not, in fact, librarians.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Having read some extracts the narrative of the book seems more interesting than whether the book is available or not.

Probably just conspiracy theory - right?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

We may never know!

 

[DrRingDing]

Donna if you can't constructively contribute to the thread apart from some irrelevant jibes I suggest you fuck off.

I've asked for some of the nay sayers to find a copy for sale online, they haven't.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I'm not sure how demonstrating that copies are avilable to read is failing to make a constructive contribution. It may not have been the answer that you wanted, but we know what Mick Jagger said on that topic.

 

[DrRingDing]

Find a dusty copy stashed in the bowels of the British library does not prove that 'somebody' is not buying up these books.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

No, but it proves there would be stuff all point in them doing so.

IT'S ANOTHER LOOPY CONSPIRACY THEORY WITH NO EVIDENCE.

 

[maes]

You could go & photocopy it before they get that one too?

 

[DrRingDing]

Find a copy for sale somewhere and you will have made the point you are trying to make.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

No, I've very successfully made the point I am trying to make.

 

[DrRingDing]

You could go & photocopy it before they get that one too?

Ah just what this thread needs, more jolly japery.

 

[maes]

Ah just what this thread needs, more jolly japery.

Not jolly japery, simply a point. If this is seriously useful information that the world has to know, and you really believe that it is at risk of disappearing, perhaps you should take steps to protect it before it's too late.