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FA Cup Saturday 2nd September

That was pretty grim to watch. The era of sexy football has well and truly gone. This is football with its big pants on and beige tights, and some Tena pads wouldn't go amiss either with the number of goals we're now leaking. If we'd got over the line with a clean sheet and a place in the next round, the end would have just about justified the means. Instead we have another "post code derby" (N22 v SE22) on Tuesday night, on a 3G pitch, a type of surface on which we seldom seem to have won during the 10 years since they began appearing at opponents' grounds.

Haringey were the poorest side I've seen us face so far by a margin. I felt we were the better team until midway through the second half, but having failed to score the second goal that would have put the game to bed, we just seemed to be holding out for the final twenty minutes. I still thought we looked reasonably comfortable at the back until Miquel Scarlett got too tight to his man out wide and practically invited him to go down under slight contact for an inevitable penalty. Marvel Ekpiteta, a defender who played against us for Hungerford and Billericay in National South, was the latest new recruit, slotting in at centre back alongside Michael Chambers. Jerome Binnom-Williams got injured in the pre-mach warm-up, with Momodou Jallow coming in on the left wing for his debut, as we reverted to a flat back four. (I'm guessing JBW would otherwise have remained as a third centre back.) There have obviously been some injuries (Elliott Romain was back on light duties in the warm up) but we seem to be rolling the dice with team selection in much the same way as Gavin Rose did whenever results too a downturn.

I could accept the erratic results, which were always an early season possibility with so many new players, but to say the performances are aesthetically poor would be an understatement. I can cope with watching a high tempo long ball game if it get tangible results, but ultimately we need goals and wins, otherwise it's almost unwatchable. Our supporters have remained incredibly loyal throughout five seasons with more defeats than wins. Last April I saw a comment on the Dartford forum suggesting we didn't bring much travelling support to their place for a fairly local game. (We took about 200, despite being in a terrible run of just 1 point from the previous 8 away games.) They were 2nd in the table and their ground was two thirds empty, with barely 1,000 locals present in a crowd of 1,200. If they'd been on the sort of run we were on I reckon they'd be lucky to get more than 500 in. However, I'm beginning to worry that some Hamlet supporters may start drifting away if we're playing a kick and rush game as well as losing.

Incidentally Hornchurch won their tie 5-0, so whatever happens on Tuesday we won't be visiting them on Saturday week.
 
TBH the crowd have done well to stick with the team. The last game I thought we had a good team and looking up was December 2021 when we beat Ebbsfleet 5 v 2 and were close to the top. Since that game there have been very few highlights ...fading away fast that season, very poor last season and no improvement so far. I think Romaine will make a difference with his mobility and finishing and Jeffrey with his energy but apart from that ....
 
Fair point
The Mills penalty, foul or not, is the perfect example of why the penalty area is the wrong shape. Why you should get a 78% chance of a goal for being shoved in the back when you’re 25 yards away, facing away from goal, on an angle… It’s a real anachronism.
 
The Mills penalty, foul or not, is the perfect example of why the penalty area is the wrong shape. Why you should get a 78% chance of a goal for being shoved in the back when you’re 25 yards away, facing away from goal, on an angle… It’s a real anachronism.

What shape do you suggest?
 
Reduce the size of the penalty area?

Though that would lose us comedy moments like last season at Farnborough when their defender tracked a player from near the half way line until he was about two centimetres into the box, right on the edge of the penalty area, before bringing him down. After 95 minutes when they were one up.
 
The Mills penalty, foul or not, is the perfect example of why the penalty area is the wrong shape. Why you should get a 78% chance of a goal for being shoved in the back when you’re 25 yards away, facing away from goal, on an angle… It’s a real anachronism.
Alternatively, defenders could take greater care not to foul opponents inside the clearly defined area when there's no immediate threat to goal. Mills is an awkward customer in "close combat" situations, reaching backwards with his long arms and craftily pulling defenders onto himself. Scarlett seemed to be waving his arms about and putting them across his man for their penalty, which also occurred in an area where there was no immediate threat to our goal unless the forward had delivered a particularly telling cross.

A semi circle of 22 yards radius from the midpoint of the goalline might produce a more logically defined penalty area, but close line calls for inside/outside would be much harder for referees and linesmen to judge accurately. Whilst we're redesigning the pitch, the goal area seems like a considerable waste of white paint when its sole purpose appears to be to define where the goalkeeper can take goal kicks from.
 
Reduce the size of the penalty area?

Though that would lose us comedy moments like last season at Farnborough when their defender tracked a player from near the half way line until he was about two centimetres into the box, right on the edge of the penalty area, before bringing him down. After 95 minutes when they were one up.
I’m not saying I have an answer. But it’s a) true and more importantly b) a somewhat relevant and useful jumping away point to move things on to where you’re not having to dwell on that 90 minutes.
 
I think the first penalty areas were semi circular..As an ex match official, I suspect its reintroduction would indeed see far more controversial decisions.
 
' I still thought we looked reasonably comfortable at the back until Miquel Scarlett got too tight to his man out wide and practically invited him to go down under slight contact for an inevitable penalty.'
I was right alongside and their man went down alongside Sanchez without being touched.
 
' I still thought we looked reasonably comfortable at the back until Miquel Scarlett got too tight to his man out wide and practically invited him to go down under slight contact for an inevitable penalty.'
I was right alongside and their man went down alongside Sanchez without being touched.
I was diagonally opposite almost 100 yards away, so admittedly I didn't have a great view of the incident. It just felt like it was going to be a penalty as soon as it happened. The referee was givning some very soft free kicks at times, then completely ignoring much more obvious fouls.
 
I think the first penalty areas were semi circular..As an ex match official, I suspect its reintroduction would indeed see far more controversial decisions.
I’ve been trying to find a picture of them. I actually think they weren’t totally semicircular but had a slight kink at the top rather like a McDonald’s M
 
Done a bit of digging. The golden arches denotes the goalkeepers area. The penalty mark is the solid line in front of it. The penalty area is the dotted line in front of that. The latter two went the full width of the pitch.
So am I right in guessing… there isn’t a single penalty mark, there’s a line, and presumably where you’re fouled from (beyond that line) you go back to the penalty line and shoot from there?
I’d be into that.
 
It appears the kicker could initially choose where on the line he placed the ball. Which is probably why it became a spot in the centre of the goal..
 
Agree with the above poster(s) - there doesn't seem to be any discernible style of play, that is to say, I have no idea what Hakan is trying to do other than maybe nick a goal and hang on for dear life. We were so passive at 1-0 today, they were there for the taking. For all the recruitment made we have nobody who can get on the ball and knock it about a bit.
 
That was pretty grim to watch. The era of sexy football has well and truly gone. This is football with its big pants on and beige tights, and some Tena pads wouldn't go amiss either with the number of goals we're now leaking. If we'd got over the line with a clean sheet and a place in the next round, the end would have just about justified the means. Instead we have another "post code derby" (N22 v SE22) on Tuesday night, on a 3G pitch, a type of surface on which we seldom seem to have won during the 10 years since they began appearing at opponents' grounds.

Haringey were the poorest side I've seen us face so far by a margin. I felt we were the better team until midway through the second half, but having failed to score the second goal that would have put the game to bed, we just seemed to be holding out for the final twenty minutes. I still thought we looked reasonably comfortable at the back until Miquel Scarlett got too tight to his man out wide and practically invited him to go down under slight contact for an inevitable penalty. Marvel Ekpiteta, a defender who played against us for Hungerford and Billericay in National South, was the latest new recruit, slotting in at centre back alongside Michael Chambers. Jerome Binnom-Williams got injured in the pre-mach warm-up, with Momodou Jallow coming in on the left wing for his debut, as we reverted to a flat back four. (I'm guessing JBW would otherwise have remained as a third centre back.) There have obviously been some injuries (Elliott Romain was back on light duties in the warm up) but we seem to be rolling the dice with team selection in much the same way as Gavin Rose did whenever results too a downturn.

I could accept the erratic results, which were always an early season possibility with so many new players, but to say the performances are aesthetically poor would be an understatement. I can cope with watching a high tempo long ball game if it get tangible results, but ultimately we need goals and wins, otherwise it's almost unwatchable. Our supporters have remained incredibly loyal throughout five seasons with more defeats than wins. Last April I saw a comment on the Dartford forum suggesting we didn't bring much travelling support to their place for a fairly local game. (We took about 200, despite being in a terrible run of just 1 point from the previous 8 away games.) They were 2nd in the table and their ground was two thirds empty, with barely 1,000 locals present in a crowd of 1,200. If they'd been on the sort of run we were on I reckon they'd be lucky to get more than 500 in. However, I'm beginning to worry that some Hamlet supporters may start drifting away if we're playing a kick and rush game as well as losing.

Incidentally Hornchurch won their tie 5-0, so whatever happens on Tuesday we won't be visiting them on Saturday week.
It wasn’t Scarlett who committed the foul, it was Ming. Ridiculous foul by a player who seems to specialise in such moments.
 
It wasn’t Scarlett who committed the foul, it was Ming. Ridiculous foul by a player who seems to specialise in such moments.
As I said above I was right alongside it and I don't think Ming touched him; I'm critical of his antics but think he is innocent this time, but the video may correct me
 
Looked at the video and he grabbed at his shirt and held him into the box. Ridiculous foul, totally unnecessary but that is the norm with that player. Let the whole team down.
 
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