Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
I’d be surprised if plod didn’t know their plans for next week. Boats have been banned, & I suspect also, it’ll all be over in a day, tops. Kettle tactics right from the off, with mass arrests.
Extinction Rebellion
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I’d be surprised if plod didn’t know their plans for next week. Boats have been banned, & I suspect also, it’ll all be over in a day, tops. Kettle tactics right from the off, with mass arrests.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it will not be like it was before, the police will have learned but xr won't have
ska invita
back on the other side
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
If only there were any books or shit detailing the history if resistance in the UK. Such as https://www.amazon.co.uk/Exist-Resist-Matthew-Smith/dp/0995783209
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
As previously said, what's the point in kettling those who's intention is to stay put?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh it's obvs nothing someone could do from looking at things like schnews, do or die, the chronology of anti-authority violence in the 80s etc etc
not to mention violent london etc
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
there speaks a man who's never been in a moving kettle: and who hasn't been in a shrinking kettle either. having been in both, neither are pleasant.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Never been in a static one either. Notice what's happening and get punchy and out your pop. Or you get nicked.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
oh i agree. if you know what to look for it's obvious when a kettle's coming. but so few people have their wits about them. case in point: when bush came to london in 2004 there was an action meeting at victoria station. i spoke to the organisers and asked them what the plan was if a kettle was imminent. 'oh we'll have a meeting' they said, ignoring the fact that you might have 30 seconds to choose whether to stay or go. a loose line of cops formed outside the assembled throng, and i made sure i was outside that line. so when the whistle went to move off the police moved in and of maybe 150 people only i and 3 or 4 others evaded the kettle.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah, I don't think the problem is a lack of resources on radical history out there, although of course it would be better if there were more.
I think it's a mix of the cultural stuff around a general tendency for people to be a bit more a-historical than previous generations in struggle have been, but I suspect it's also connected to the dynamics around XR that constantly go on about them being something new and unlike anything before and the ones with the 'right' answer. I mean what's the point of looking at other stuff if you think what you're doing is unarguably the right way and provides all the answers already?
I think it's a mix of the cultural stuff around a general tendency for people to be a bit more a-historical than previous generations in struggle have been, but I suspect it's also connected to the dynamics around XR that constantly go on about them being something new and unlike anything before and the ones with the 'right' answer. I mean what's the point of looking at other stuff if you think what you're doing is unarguably the right way and provides all the answers already?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
until xr i had never encountered a group which thought writing to the queen was a good idea
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Kettling to keep roads open.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
10 years ago I was witness to Smash EDO anti-war activists being kettled with horses on the South Downs (their first kettle tactic failed at the meeting point in Wild Park as everyone was savvy to it) many injuries, & not a pretty sight. Also a moving kettle from the London Road to the arrest RP on Lewes Road, which was quite a trek on a hot day with no water.
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I dunno, most of the early (and sometimes later) incarnations of activist/direct action groups have bonkers ideas and shit politics freely flowing through them in some way. I guess the test for me is how prevalent those ideas are and what potential they have to change, either through discussion and growth or just with the radicalizing power of batons on skulls.
Exactly so. A complete failure to accept that agitprop has a long history because, for sure, a lot of the more vocal ER members(?) have never been involved in any sort of street protest before and absolutely believe this really is something new and radical...and breaking through this complacency was most dispiriting aspect of ER weekly meets (of which I have, I admit, attended precisely 1 and a half-arsed march when it went past my house).
And a lot of tension around internal hierarchies. Insisting they are essentially non-hierarchical when it is abundantly clear that this is not the case, with all the usual entitlement, loudest voices and class struggle, making them an unwelcoming place for anyone not toeing the ER line or coming from a different starting position. I have had exactly the same conversation as Bahnhof Strasse...with the implication that, as an older wc person, my only value was as an arrestable. I have concluded it isn't for me, tbh.
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ska invita
back on the other side
One thing being prepared to risk arrest, but this (image) just winds me up!
rekil
to menny cranks
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Few of them even seem to have heard of the The Committee of 100, who utilised pretty much the exact same tactics. And failed in their objective.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Or websites which have collated organising information and legal expertise. Or how-to books specifically geared towards taking effective direct action. Or biannual camps where you can go to learn direct from experienced old hands. Yep, it's a thorny one.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Maybe if you rotated it 90 degrees anti-clockwise...
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Sure they'll have some 'reason'. Monbiot seems to have re-written history to have blamed the failure of all the direct action movement of the 90s and 00s on the black bloc.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I have a suspicion that to some extent this idiot idea that innovation is synonymous with ignoring all the lessons of the past is something that has been imported from business.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
I've never heard of that book and I've been involved in protest/political action for 20 years. It's true there are resources that people can look at online but (a) you've got to know what you're looking for. You can't look up the Committee of 100 if you've never head of them. And (b) most people don't spend as much time on the internet as us. To trawl through libcom or something is a very time-consuming way to learn about stuff. We probably enjoy the process so we do it, but lots of people won't. I guess what needs to happen as a starter is more experienced and knowledgeable people within XR need to be passing their knowledge on, suggesting the important things for people to look up if they're interested in x or y. I'm sure it's happening a bit, but apparently not enough. The website idea I suggested was just an accelerator to make it less time-consuming to learn some of the key bits of history a new activist might want to know.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
More experienced and knowledgeable people being code for the lamentable Roger et al I suppose
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
No, not at all.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy. And bloody foolish.
As to bring a brother I see scant evidence that he holds left-wing views
i accept most of the criticisms. He's a wide eyed petitbourgoise hippie with little apparent appreciation of the state's inevitable resort to a violent response to XR. But he aint Tommy Robinson. He is set on a collision course with capital, and so are we. Until i learn otherwise he's my brother.
