SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
My mate wrote that. He writes a lot of stuff like this but it doesn't usually make the newspapers. He's written a book, which everyone should buy.
Extinction Rebellion
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My mate wrote that. He writes a lot of stuff like this but it doesn't usually make the newspapers. He's written a book, which everyone should buy.
BristolEcho
Well-Known Member
Been reading his stuff for a while and plan to get his book. Think he's saying a lot of stuff that resonates.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah the book is mostly really good, I was a bit disappointed in the plunge into identity politics and privilege politics he took in some of it though. I think some of the class stuff is a bit confused too, more equates extreme poverty and deprivation with working class in some bits. He's very sharp on the criticism of activism though.
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Maybe you could offer a better explanation than an emoticon?
Why do you think infiltration was the problem that wrecked the group? And yes, I know the core group was infiltrated. The infiltration was largely an information gathering mission, they had little political influence on the direction of the group.
IME problems were to do with the structure of the group that had been needed to organize the things it did, its massive popularity and that creating huge demands externally on the group, changing nature of what enabled activism (the dole), the political direction of the group and no clear ideas where to take things from street parties and then J18.
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nyxx
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Green & Black Cross don't usually make statements on particular groups they support, they've had it with XR. Personally I think GBC gave them far too much of their resources before sacking them off cos by this account XR are just shitting all over the work they've been doing, not just for them.
Statement on Extinction Rebellion | Green and Black Cross
Statement on Extinction Rebellion | Green and Black Cross
not-bono-ever
meh
Met want 1,130 climate protesters charged
the filth want everyone done. they have lost control here and are flailing. they are gonna be working overtime to fit 1100 non violent people up.cunts
the filth want everyone done. they have lost control here and are flailing. they are gonna be working overtime to fit 1100 non violent people up.cunts
newbie
undisambiguated
Suspect the Met need the stats as part of a push for more funding and increased powers to deal with mass protests.
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
I wondered this too
It's going to take up a lot of court time to get through all of those people some of whom weren't locked on or even in the road at the time but were in the area when a section 14 order was issued and communicated
newbie
undisambiguated
S14 is pretty much an absolute offence, so howsabout on the spot fine plus strict bail condition banning returning to protest. No need to transport most arrestees across London for processing. Means protestor has to initiate appeal to be heard in court, with serious costs implications.
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
quite
although I'd rather it didn't go that way
newbie
undisambiguated
absolutely, but that's what they seemed to be positioning themselves for when the protests were on.
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
I'm surprised they didn't do that tbh
they arrested people instead [which is so long in comparison]
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
It's hardly fitting people up. And not sure how the non-violent is relevant at all either. They blocked the roads, were warned to move, refused and were arrested.
newbie
undisambiguated
Needs a change in the law as they don't have the powers at the moment, certainly for on the spot fines but also I think for onsite processing and bail conditions.
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
I thought there would be more arrests that were then dearrested...
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
XR protest was peaceful. Plus I think protestors had a lot of public sympathry.
This meant the police couldn't be seen to be to heavy handed.
Cressida Dick , head of Met, says XR tactics were new kind of protest.
The gluing by protestors to roads etc meant Met had to get specialist teams in .
XR success means police want more powers.
Extinction Rebellion protest: Look at new deterrents, says top cop
Reading the article Tories are saying Labour Mayor didn't criticise XR enough.
Policing isn't just about having powers and laws. Its also about what the police think they can get away with politically. This requires political support.
This meant the police couldn't be seen to be to heavy handed.
Cressida Dick , head of Met, says XR tactics were new kind of protest.
The gluing by protestors to roads etc meant Met had to get specialist teams in .
XR success means police want more powers.
Extinction Rebellion protest: Look at new deterrents, says top cop
Reading the article Tories are saying Labour Mayor didn't criticise XR enough.
Policing isn't just about having powers and laws. Its also about what the police think they can get away with politically. This requires political support.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
They've used it plenty of times in those situations. I suspect the reason they didn't use it on XR more was more the dynamic of the protests (large numbers, static, and blocking roads) which it meant it wasn't the best tactic.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Err...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
That's when they really like using it.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Which ones?
My understanding was from what happened at Waterloo Bridge. Police did block both ends one evening. This stopped water supplies. XR being the well organised group they are brought it to police attention this was peaceful protest. So police had to unblock one end.
My understanding is that groups like Liberty have helped legal action on behalf of those kettled in previous protests.
Kettling has been said to be lawful. But now more restricted in its use. That is to stop potentially violent protests. Which in XR protest police couldn't prove.
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editor
hiraethified
Tomorrow in West Norwood
Extinction Rebellion planting ‘Protest Trees’ in West Norwood, Sun 26th May
Extinction Rebellion planting ‘Protest Trees’ in West Norwood, Sun 26th May
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Kettling people who are intent on staying put is a bit of a waste of time...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh it's then the police usually do what they did to the climate camp ten years ago
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
It fell out of fashion a bit when the High Court ruling in 2012 suggested that cops had to show they had reasonable grounds for thinking there would be an imminent breach of the peace if they wanted to kettle, so it's mostly used against more "obviously scary" types now (eg. EDL or black bloc).
That said, it'd be a naive fool who thinks they wouldn't still kettle non-violent protests where its expedient to do so and they have a relevant Minister/top cop giving them the nod. Which they will if protesters become annoying/disruptive enough to get businesses/Middle England/the press hot and bothered. In moments of panic Home Secretaries have always been wont to just say "blank cheque, shut them down."
That said, it'd be a naive fool who thinks they wouldn't still kettle non-violent protests where its expedient to do so and they have a relevant Minister/top cop giving them the nod. Which they will if protesters become annoying/disruptive enough to get businesses/Middle England/the press hot and bothered. In moments of panic Home Secretaries have always been wont to just say "blank cheque, shut them down."
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not-bono-ever
meh
Oh shit. Look what was in my daughters schoolbag
not-bono-ever
meh
What have I done ?
