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A thread for people to ask questions about the arab-israeli conflict away from the gaza threads.

Please post websites and explanatory videos here too, to make this a useful resource even for the more knowledgeable among us.

Here's a few to get things started
Bbc series on iplayer The Fifty Years War: Israel and the Arabs



 
+972 is worth a mention as an Israel based news and analysis site opposed to the occupation.

Yeah, they are very good.

B'Tselem have been keeping track of human rights violations.

B’Tselem – The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories strives for a future in which human rights, liberty and equality are guaranteed to all people, Palestinian and Jewish alike, living between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

https://www.btselem.org/
 
The Balfour project has a lot of articles on the history.

 
Id also recommend Rashid Khalidi The Hundred Years War on Palestine. It mixes personal recollections of his family with analysis of key events in Palestinian history. He also took part in the peace negotiations and was living in Lebanon when it was invaded by Israel. He is quite critical of Palestinian leadership whilst seeing the conflict as primarily the fault of Zionists and western powers who support them.





The American Palestinian historian has the "Long Read" in the Guardian

I've read his book he mentions in article.

The attack on Gaza is the latest event in what he calls the hundred years war on Palestine.

In his work he foregrounds the importance to Zionism and later Israel of western international governments support. First British empire and now USA. Without this support Zionism/ Israel would be hard pressed to act in way it does.

He sees younger generation in West as being more pro Palestine. Now they have other ways of getting news than the mainstream press.

The non Western world such as South Africa are taking more of a role now.

He says Biden is basically continuing policies of Trump re Israel.

The "normalisation" process being one. If this had continued the Palestinians would have been left with little support.

The Arab people are very pro Palestine. The autocratic leaders aren't.

The peace process was a sham. No western country will stand up to Israel.

 
Israeli architect Eyal Weizman


Id recommend his book on architecture/ planning in Israel as good way to look at how Zionism operates.

I remember from his book he said if it was two state or one state solution the Zionist apartheid state needs dismantling.

It's been built into the very architecture/ town planning of the state from the start.

And has been transferred to the West Bank.

This isn't just about settlers on west bank waving guns.

Most housing built in West Bank is for regular Israeli not hard core settlers for example.

This isn't about destruction of Israel. It's about changing the state to non Zionist one
 
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More on Eyal Weizman book Hollow Land

He makes the point that under Geneva convention an Occupying power has the obligation to look after the welfare of the the occupied population.

Over the years this has been done by NGOs and international community.

Whilst necessary it means the State of Israel is being allowed to evade its responsibility.

Unintended effects of this is that:

Actions of the occupying power - Israel- that over the years have damaged the Palestinian economy. Thus leading to Palestinians requiring more aid. This cast as a "humanitarian " problem to be solved by aid.

Secondly the built up architecture of checkpoints etc where Israel controls who and what goes in and out of supposed Palestinian controlled territory means that post Oslo Palestinian controlled areas are still effectively controlled by other means. In this case international aid workers require permission by Israel to enter Palestinian areas. Which in this case was refused.

There is an argument that this has made things worse for Palestinians. That leverage over Israel has been reduced by the humanitarian aid that keeps Palestinians areas just functioning. That if International community made Israel under Geneva convention fully responsible then this would cost Israel a lot of money. At present it has virtually cost free occupation. To add Israel might think twice about occupation if it was made to pay for it.
 
Finished the main section of this military history of the Palestine revolt. As had been reading about British empire before events in Israel / Gaza this is going back to look at how British empire worked.

It's straight forward military history. Does not go into depth about the political factors. It's how Britain "pacified" Palestine /why they succeeded/ why revolt failed.

This is little known full on revolt. Only finally put down when Chamberlain Munich deal freed up troops to send to Palestine. Even then took six months to put down completely.

The long term result was that Palestinians were in no way ready or able to defend themselves against Zionists in 48.

The revolt was weakened by divisions in leadership/ local commanders not working in coordinated way/

Secondly due to divisions in leadership political strategy was not clear. And compromises decisions not able to be decided. IRA taken as one example. They took compromise of Free State. The Palestine leadership was so divided that British were able to work to undermine them

Matthew Hughes argument is that this pacification was not fully martial law not was it a dirty war like in Algeria. ( I can't judge on that as I don't know about Algeria)

The British army was used in conjunction with civil authority. Not always happily. It was measured violence. Excesses did happen but they were not the policy as such

Given that the regulations ( yes British were sticklers for regulations. Whole chapter in book on this) included interment without trial/ collective punishment like house demolition and fining.

Fining of villagers was effective. If British troops were shot at nearest village would be collectively punished. Houses chosen for demolition and or fines.

Fines could be devastating. These were poor farmers. If had no money then crops / cattle were taken

It was system of carrot and stick. Cooperative villages had less fines and searches.

It was grinding people down who might support rebels.

These things were allowed under Emergency regulations. To my suprise this kind of thing was standard British imperial behaviour.

The British emergency regulations live on in way Israel controls West Bank.

Due to lack of troops Zionist were used as police and armed . British army were equivocal about this.

Orde Wingate , famous in Israel and also in WW2, set up Special Night Squads of Jews and regular British troops. His harsh methods meant he got sent home after six months. As book states measured violence was the norm and Wingate was a maverick. Whose methods some in army thought counterproductive.

Still Zionists played a role. Particularly in intelligence.

And in military training. Wingates Special Night Squads had later leaders of Israel like Ariel Sharon

Unit 101 , the Israel army unit , that took part in border wars after 48 was clearly modelled on Wingates Special Night Squads. So Wingates long term influence was out of proportion to his involvement.

Given Matthew Hughes emphasis that this pacification was within the bounds of what was acceptable to British at that time seems to me he also catalogues a lot of oppression and violence that underpinned British imperial rule.

Chatting to friend and some of these methods were used in Ireland.

The book is highly detailed calm look from a military point of view or how to conduct the ending of a revolt


 
sequel to the Israeli Ilan Pappe book on the ethnic cleansing of Palestine

Israel success in 67 meant it controlled West Bank and Gaza.

Ilan Pappe had access to minutes of meetings of the government. The success led to discussion of what to do with this new land.

West Bank in particular had been in sights of Zionists.

To cut a long story short the leading mainstream government Zionists had no intention of giving up this land.

The internal discussion was how to stay but pretend this was not the case. What comes across is the contempt the ruling elites had for US. Supposedly their main supporter.

One way was to talk bullshit whilst incrementally taking over land in West Bank. Saying will leave when a full peace deal is finalised.

Which never happens.

The Americans were aware of the difference between what was said publicly and what Israel were starting to do to change "facts on the ground".

And none of this was done by the hard right in Israel

 

A long in depth article on the politics of Holocaust / Genocide historical studies.

An academic discipline now split over Gaza.

A question raised is whether Holocaust / Genocide studies can survive this.

Any nuance or academic decorum has been thrown out of the window. Was looking up this as have come across Raz Segal. An Israeli Jewish academic who has written on Holocaust/ Genocide. Early on said what is happening in Gaza is in his words textbook case of Genocide. For which he lost a job at a University in US. The university being under pressure from local Jewish groups.

The article goes into how Holocaust / Genocide studies developed. In Israel it was controversial from the start. Pioneer in Genocide studies tried to organise conference in Israel Including scholars of Armenian genocide. This caused ructions, With some Israeli politicians trying to put off Armenian scholars from attending. How dare people compare the Shoah to other Genocides

The relationship between the Shoah/ Holocaust and other Genocides isn't straightforward.

Early work was translated into supporting Western intervention to stop mass killing. This was critiqued by those academics who brought colonial/ post colonial studies into the existing Holocaust/ Genocide studies. Different argument that Western countries were involved in Genocide of colonised people. That the existing academic framework needed to be expanded.

In another video I've not yet finished Raz Segal puts forward idea that one of the reasons US has been supporting Israel state attack on Gaza is that US doesn't want to face its own history of Genocidal actions.

For historians like Segal and others the silence of many academic institutions over Israel state actions in Gaza whilst being critical of Hamas shows a double standard.

Another thing is that despite many University courses on Genocide / Holocaust you wont see hardly anyone from Palestinian / middle east background on them. Studies of the Nakba are separate. Its like the operate is separate silos.

And there is the question on intent. Some argue that Israel state did not have intent. That remarks by politicians were made in the heat of the moment and intent cannot be proved. This is going back to now out of date early "intentionalist" school of Holocaust studies.

How Holocaust / Genocide studies translate into action to stop future Genocides will show how relevant it is to the real world. As one says in the article if in end Genocide studies cannot address Gaza then what's the point of it.

Seems to me a lot of the underlying argument is about whether Genocide studies should make an exception in relation to Israel state actions or expand the scope and say it does come under it.

Segal ( elsewhere I will post up when finished) argues that historically Genocide post 48 was linked to support for a state of Israel as safe place for Jews post the Holocaust. Hence exceptionalism started then. This is no longer tenable now.

One person in article put forward idea that perhaps dropping term Genocide altogether as its no longer helpful

What seems to me to have happened over the years since Holocaust / Genocide studies started is the gradual expansion by some scholars of it to include colonial / settler colonial attacks on indigenous people. As well as targeting of civilians in wars. Ie was dropping the atomic bombs on Japan Genocidal act?

Perhaps a whole reframing of how mass killing of civilians and/ or intentional destruction of a peoples culture / way of life are seen/studied is required.
 
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This from the article

The moment may also draw Palestinian scholars into the field at last, reshaping it in the process. “Because of what’s going on in Gaza and all the theoretical questions that were raised about how to define it, more Palestinians will want to study this in the near future,” Ghanim predicted. Segal has argued in lectures for a new “global Nakba memory” that could address the gaps left by Holocaust memory—a paradigm in which “these voices of Palestinians who have been marginalized and denied and pushed aside in Holocaust and genocide studies are now actually helping us envision a path beyond this crisis in the field.” This could take the form of work in other disciplines that would influence genocide studies, leading to novel ways of understanding, naming, and analyzing oppression.
 
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