Epistemology
- Thread starter bodach
- Start date
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
I don't know Soho. I do know my own kitchen, in which I shall make beans on toast.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
Red Veg, FTW. Berwick Street IIRC, but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
How?
i-am-your-idea
pretty vacant
And if anyone tells me I'm not hungry, I'll 'ave 'em with a nice bottle of Chianti
its the emotional fear of what might happen without the belief of knowledge that keeps it in place. everything is based on feel-age.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I would contend that it is perfectly possible to use language in the total absence of what is commonly described as human consciousness. A person experiencing a psychotic episode is essentially doing this.
I would also contend, through personal introspection, that 'human consciousness' can exist without language.
In fact, your statement seems dangerously close to 8-ball's giraffe position - 'we must be special, just look at our necks'
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
its the emotional fear of what might happen without the belief of knowledge that keeps it in place. everything is based on feel-age.
So how do you survive without knowledge? You appear to be able to know how to use a compluter at least.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Nah, he/she/it just randomly hits the keys, the feelage, and hopes that one day a coherent idea will come out.
I love the fact that even in the absence of even the possibility of knowledge you can know this.its the emotional fear of what might happen without the belief of knowledge that keeps it in place. everything is based on feel-age.
i-am-your-idea
pretty vacant
i dont know it. knowledge is impossible. those are just beliefs.
BECAUSE. IT. IS. WELL-GROUNDED. AND. TRUE.
Or are you just not reading the fucking words I used?
Then don't spout it as if you know it. And don't even THINK about hinting at it through poetry.
i-am-your-idea
pretty vacant
i believe i can use a computer. how things appear is not necessarily how they are. you can have strong beliefs, but you cannot have definate knowledge.
i-am-your-idea
pretty vacant
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
because its true??lol
Is a question with no answer a question at all?
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
You have a strong belief that you can use a computer and the words magically end up fuelling my aneurysm? Horseshit.
i-am-your-idea
pretty vacant
how could it be anything but that? this is what im led to believe, but there is no way of being sure.
we have no way of knowing what the nature of reality is. everything is saturated with mystery, if you deny this you are the one in the cave.
you are in the dark about the mystery.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
You're in the dark about the nature of sanity, love.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
What utter bollocks.
Why don't you stop breathing, or step off a building, to show how utterly correct you are insofar as we 'know' nothing.
i-am-your-idea
pretty vacant
the nature of sanity is felt, not known. thats obvious isnt it? its totally subjective. a mad person today, might not have been considered mad in the past.
people, sane or otherwise would not even exist without the mystery. the stuff that you are made of is beyond your understanding, the things that you do are beyond your understanding. ultimately everything is beyond your understanding - thats just being human. we can never know anything, all we have are our beliefs.
sometimes a belief is shared by many people, this does not magically turn it into knowledge.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
Top notch, more wisdom please.
i-am-your-idea
pretty vacant
i dont know whether jumping off a building will kill me. there could be an afterlife, or the building might not be high enough, or i might fall into a cushion factory.
however, i still dont want to do it.
animals are evidence that lack of knowledge doesnt mean you are bound to jump off buildings.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
i-am-your-idea
pretty vacant
im assuming that even if people think humans have knowledge, they still think other animals do not.
the arguement was 'so if you dont have any knowledge why not jump off a building?'
and so i was saying, although i dont KNOW what the result would be, i still dont want to do it. - in the same way an animal doesnt want to.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
If I decapitate you, you will die. Irrespective of whether there is an 'afterlife'. the thing that is you in the physical body/possible soul component you inhabit will cease to be. I can truthfully say that when you die, you will change states of being.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Big assumption.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
I would imagine that animals aren't remotely troubled by 'nothing can be truly known, even not truly knowing something' discussions either.
On the hot savannah, a herd of zebra graze.
'So Barry, me and the lads were having a chat round the water hole last night'
'Oh yeah?'
'Yeah, one of them suggested that knowledge doesn't exist, that we can never ever 'know' something, only ever have a belief or first approximation, cos there's loads of stuff that *might* be out there that we can't see.'
'Wow, that's pretty mind blowing, Sid. So what happened then?'
'Well, Zizek, the bloke going on about this, went to prove it by going out onto the sav and jumping around a bit, you know, taunting the lions, on the basis that he didn't absolutely know they'd eat him and they didn't absolutely know he was prey'
'And what happened?'
'They ate him. Nice take down too, first chomp right into his jugular.'
On the hot savannah, a herd of zebra graze.
'So Barry, me and the lads were having a chat round the water hole last night'
'Oh yeah?'
'Yeah, one of them suggested that knowledge doesn't exist, that we can never ever 'know' something, only ever have a belief or first approximation, cos there's loads of stuff that *might* be out there that we can't see.'
'Wow, that's pretty mind blowing, Sid. So what happened then?'
'Well, Zizek, the bloke going on about this, went to prove it by going out onto the sav and jumping around a bit, you know, taunting the lions, on the basis that he didn't absolutely know they'd eat him and they didn't absolutely know he was prey'
'And what happened?'
'They ate him. Nice take down too, first chomp right into his jugular.'
