enjoying a film without analysing the fuck out of it

[Reno]

That's me that is

That's perfectly fine Minnie, but if you don't want to take part in a discussion, just don't. The point is that Pingu seems to object to other people discussing films that he feels aren't worthy of debate. Who is he or you to decide what can or can't be discussed and on what level ?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

That's perfectly fine Minnie, but if you don't want to take part in a discussion, just don't. The point is that Pingu seems to object to other people doing so.

Well I do feel a bit of an idiot when people start analysing films 'cos I don't watch them and analyse and read into them, which probably makes me a bit simple, but I don't mind

 

[Pingu]

Why did you ask for a synopsis for The Magic Roundabout? What's it got to do with this thread?

its hardly fucking rocket science.

I asked for a synopsis.. shall we say an abridged version of events.. or maybe even a precis of the main events and plot lines of the film.

once an outline has been presented then it would be a fairly easy task to pick one area and then perform an in depth deconstruction (meh) of that area.

my point is that The Magic Roundabout is just the sort of film I am on about. It was just entertainment, not trying to make some deep philosophical point.. and yet I bet some pedantic and pseudo intellectual twat would have tried to justify that the magic roundabout was really about the injustice of waring nations, say the USA and Iraq.

This is what the thread was about. looking for meaning etc where there really isnt any rather than just enjoying the film for its entertainment value.

 

[Pingu]

That's perfectly fine Minnie, but if you don't want to take part in a discussion, just don't. The point is that Pingu seems to object to other people discussing films that he feels aren't worthy of debate. Who is he or you to decide what can or can't be discussed and on what level ?

where have i said that?

people are perfectly entitled to discuss whatever they like. doesnt mean it wont annoy the fuck out of me though when some prick tries to be clever by overanalysing something just to try to show what a smart arse they are

 

[sojourner]

So....you complained about analysis, then asked for a synopsis, so that a part of that could then be selected for analysis?

Have I got that right?

 

[sojourner]

where have i said that?

people are perfectly entitled to discuss whatever they like. doesnt mean it wont annoy the fuck out of me though when some prick tries to be clever by overanalysing something just to try to show what a smart arse they are

Do you not accept that some of us do it because it adds an immense amount of enjoyment to the original viewing/reading?


I feel quite insulted by your view of people like myself who enjoy analysis


I'm not a pseudo anything, or a twat

 

[Reno]

Synopsis for The Magic Roundabout:

"In the Enchanted Village, The Magic Roundabout lies in ruin, encased in ice. It is the work of the chillingly evil sorcerer Zeebad, whose dastardly mission is to enslave the earth and freeze it over forever. Ranged against the wicked magician are four of the unlikeliest heroes ever gathered together in an all-action adventure – Brian (a lovesick snail), Ermintrude (an opera-singing cow), Dylan (a spaced-out rabbit), and Dougal (a sugar-loving dog).

Only by capturing three magic diamonds can this bizarre but intrepid band reverse the onset of the permafrost that threatens their existence. So begins a desperate race against time over the bubbling lava of a fiery volcano, deep into the heart of a treacherous tropical temple, and across a vast icy wilderness and snow-capped peaks.

Can our four heroes prevail against seemingly unassailable odds? It will take teamwork, loyalty, fearlessness, cunning and guile to outwit their enemy and deliver the Enchanted Village from a frozen fate."


Happy ?

 

[Orang Utan]

its hardly fucking rocket science.

These rocket scientists. Twats. Always over-analyzing things aren't they?

 

[Pingu]

Now people, I don't agree with terms such as 'thick' and 'not bright', not in the slightest.

The world is there for us to enjoy in our different ways - I get off on analysis, lots of people don't - doesn't mean they deserve terms such as 'thick'


However, if one does make an error in one's vocabulary, on their own thread, whilst debating with people who 'know their shit' as it were, then I do think said person should accept they fucked it right up and smile with dignity




What do you say Pingu?

funny though... wind them up and watch them go...


the main thrust still stands though

 

[Reno]

Yes, you are an evil genius masquerading as the village idiot. I suspected it all along.

 

[quimcunx]

Cos people like talking about films. It's would be boring if you came out of the cinema and all you could say was 'that was good, wasn't it?'

It's as much as I can ever say about them, pretty much. Perhaps that's why I never watch DVDs at home, and often fall asleep in the cinema. Give me a book.


though don't ask me to analyse the fuck out of that either. blech.

 

[sojourner]

Synopsis for The Magic Roundabout:

"In the Enchanted Village, The Magic Roundabout lies in ruin, encased in ice. It is the work of the chillingly evil sorcerer Zeebad, whose dastardly mission is to enslave the earth and freeze it over forever. Ranged against the wicked magician are four of the unlikeliest heroes ever gathered together in an all-action adventure – Brian (a lovesick snail), Ermintrude (an opera-singing cow), Dylan (a spaced-out rabbit), and Dougal (a sugar-loving dog).

Only by capturing three magic diamonds can this bizarre but intrepid band reverse the onset of the permafrost that threatens their existence. So begins a desperate race against time over the bubbling lava of a fiery volcano, deep into the heart of a treacherous tropical temple, and across a vast icy wilderness and snow-capped peaks.

Can our four heroes prevail against seemingly unassailable odds? It will take teamwork, loyalty, fearlessness, cunning and guile to outwit their enemy and deliver the Enchanted Village from a frozen fate."


Happy ?

Blimey, it's changed a bit since I were a lass

Ok, shall I go first? Shall we start with global warming?

 

[Pingu]

Yes, you are an evil genius masquerading as the village idiot. I suspected it all along.

see ... you really are quite clever after all arnt you I bow before your vastly superior intelect.

and btw.. had your initial response been either :


slower so i could have edited

or


less smarmy and sneering


I would have just held my hands up earlier or gotten away with it.

it did get fairly difficult trying to think up a justification for it and I was floundering.

 

[Dubversion]

people are perfectly entitled to discuss whatever they like. doesnt mean it wont annoy the fuck out of me though when some prick tries to be clever by overanalysing something just to try to show what a smart arse they are

how often does this ACTUALLY happen?
sure you're not just a bitter, chippy sort?

 

[Pingu]

Synopsis for The Magic Roundabout:

"In the Enchanted Village, The Magic Roundabout lies in ruin, encased in ice. It is the work of the chillingly evil sorcerer Zeebad, whose dastardly mission is to enslave the earth and freeze it over forever. Ranged against the wicked magician are four of the unlikeliest heroes ever gathered together in an all-action adventure – Brian (a lovesick snail), Ermintrude (an opera-singing cow), Dylan (a spaced-out rabbit), and Dougal (a sugar-loving dog).

Only by capturing three magic diamonds can this bizarre but intrepid band reverse the onset of the permafrost that threatens their existence. So begins a desperate race against time over the bubbling lava of a fiery volcano, deep into the heart of a treacherous tropical temple, and across a vast icy wilderness and snow-capped peaks.

Can our four heroes prevail against seemingly unassailable odds? It will take teamwork, loyalty, fearlessness, cunning and guile to outwit their enemy and deliver the Enchanted Village from a frozen fate."


Happy ?

fucking estatic.. saves me having to watch it again

ta

 

[g force]

you've missed the point. You don't necessarily sit down in front of POTC intending to critique it. But you also can't stop your brain reacting to what it sees. if something jars, or doesn't work, or annoys, or offends, you'll notice it regardless of whether you set out to find it.

that's how brains work

By "something jars" in POTC I assume you can only mean Orlando Bloom

 

[Pingu]

how often does this ACTUALLY happen?
sure you're not just a bitter, chippy sort?

after every film I see with my mate mark tbh... mind you I am not too sure if he owns a black polo neck jumper.

 

[Reno]

after every film I see with my mate mark tbh... mind you I am not too sure if he owns a black polo neck jumper.

Why don't you swap your "mate mark" for Chemical needs ? He seems to have the same problem.

 

[quimcunx]

I think my thing is, I've just watched a film about, for argument's sake, a cat whos elderly lady owner dies and she eats her and when the neighbour opens the door, the cat jumps on him and takes a big chunk out of his shoulder before being beaten back and running off into the night to have more bloodthirsty adventures. Then eventually a staffie kills the cat to protect his owner's baby before the baby loses its arm. The baby hugs the staffie and at the end we fast forward to the baby 16 years later winning wimbledon and hugging her pop hearthrob boyfriend who turns out to be the grandchild of the old lady. or something.

As far as I'm concerned I watched a jolly little gory film with a lovely hearwarming ending. awwww.

And then someone starts saying something about the staffie scene being a metaphor for the NHS and the decline of chaplins in hospitals and actually teh cat had an Elvis complex, and the parallels with Bergman's Seventh Seal were just clumsy, and I'm frowning cos I missed that completely.

 

[Pingu]

I think my thing is, I've just watched a film about, for argument's sake, a cat whos elderly lady owner dies and she eats her and when the neighbour opens the door, the cat jumps on him and takes a big chunk out of his shoulder before being beaten back and running off into the night to have more bloodthirsty adventures. Then eventually a staffie kills the cat to protect his owner's baby before the baby loses its arm. The baby hugs the staffie and at the end we fast forward to the baby 16 years later winning wimbledon and hugging her pop hearthrob boyfriend who turns out to be the grandchild of the old lady. or something.

As far as I'm concerned I watched a jolly little gory film with a lovely hearwarming ending. awwww.

And then someone starts saying something about the staffie scene being a metaphor for the NHS and the decline of chaplins in hospitals and actually teh cat had an Elvis complex, and the parallels with Bergman's Seventh Seal, and I'm frowning cos I missed that completely.

this is what I am on about...

 

[Orang Utan]

this is what I am on about...

Those metaphors may be there though, intended or not, so are worth talking about if people are interested in doing so.

 

[rutabowa]

just by watching a film and not being asleep, you're analysing it... like, you will be getting more out of it than a dog watching the film or something. whether you do it consciously or not.

 

[rutabowa]

And then someone starts saying something about the staffie scene being a metaphor for the NHS and the decline of chaplins in hospitals and actually teh cat had an Elvis complex, and the parallels with Bergman's Seventh Seal were just clumsy, and I'm frowning cos I missed that completely.

it's not like you missed it, it wasn't necessarily put in it to start with, but people are still allowed to discuss...as long as they're not saying, "this was definitely in the film and you are inferior cos you didn't get it".

 

[Pingu]

Those metaphors may be there though, intended or not, so are worth talking about if people are interested in doing so.

agreed.. if people are interested in doing so. But isn't it also possible that you can enjoy the film without having to analyse it? Just be entertained by what you have seen without having a need to dissect it?

 

[Reno]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism

 

[Orang Utan]

agreed.. if people are interested in doing so. But isn't it also possible that you can enjoy the film without having to analyse it? Just be entertained by what you have seen without having a need to dissect it?

Yes it is. Of course it is. You'll need to analyse it a little bit though just to understand it, as rutabowa points out.

 

[Reno]

agreed.. if people are interested in doing so. But isn't it also possible that you can enjoy the film without having to analyse it? Just be entertained by what you have seen without having a need to dissect it?

Many films don't lend themselves to indepth analysis and nobody is analysing them, so what are you actually on about ? Where are these fabled deconstructions of Pirates of the Carribean ? If you complain about something at least give us an example of what you are so opposed to. Papingo above has to resort to not only a made up film but also a made up deconstruction to make his point, so the two of you haven't got much of a case here that everything gets overanalysed. A small handfull of popular films do get debated and analysed and rightly so, but most don't.

 

[London_Calling]

Bergman's Seventh Seal

Odd coincidence; got an email from the Barbican this morning saying they're showing it next week.


Sometimes you want a lot from your art; intriguing ideas, interesting dilemmas, beautiful set ups - you want your brain to swim with the complexity, thrill at the audacity and originality of the creator/s. You want to dwell on it, suddenly ‘click’ a week later, have it ask you to look anew at a long-ingrained belief. Other times you just want to see shit blown up, aliens inherit the earth and that gorgeous blonde get done big style up the wrong un.

It doesn't do me any favours, though, to ignore of belittle sophistication when it's staring at me and been the focus of my last two hours.

 

[rutabowa]

Yes it is. Of course it is. You'll need to analyse it a little bit though just to understand it, as rutabowa points out.

the danger of only doing that unconscious analysis is that yr mind gets stale, and just becomes a sponge to soak up whatever ideology hollywood is pushing. that's why it's sometimes good to dissect stuff, cos when you do you can reveal some dangerous things sometimes.

 

[stdPikachu]

isn't it also possible that you can enjoy the film without having to analyse it? Just be entertained by what you have seen without having a need to dissect it?

Depends entirely on the film IMHO. True Lies is a cracking example of a no-holds-barred film that's pure entertainment with little beneath the surface (and I don't mean that in a bad way). Compare with Last Action Hero - a film that might be compared to True Lies on the face of it (Arnie vs. some bad guys with some witty one-liners and big explosions), but it's actually a parody on the whole True Lies-esque Hollywood genre. Taking that film entirely at face value doesn't make for a great cinema experience to me as you need to be aware of the genre it's parodying in order to see the humour inherent in the premise.

A mroe extreme example would be Mulholland Drive, a critique on Hollywood artifice on a fairly massive and rather surreal scale. Take that movie at face value and you're likely to come out with WTF tattooed across your forehead. A little bit of analysis is essential to find some movies interesing, I find.

Going on about for hours when the person you're talking to isn't interested is another matter I guess, but you need to be aware that some people, in combination with some movies, just can't help it