enjoying a film without analysing the fuck out of it

[Pingu]

why cant some people seem to just enjoy a film for what it is.

they have to analyse it and break it down into various scenes that are then put up for discussion and compared to heavyweight Russian noir bollockywanstainstudentwankstuff type bollocks.

some films are there just to entertain. they don't have any hidden message. they are not attempting to dissect a small microcosm of society and attempt to provide a meaningful insight into its functions and the people involved in it.

Some films are just for fun and entertainment.. nothing else.

 

[Dubversion]

why cant some people seem to just enjoy a film for what it is.

they have to analyse it and break it down into various scenes that are then put up for discussion and compared to heavyweight Russian noir bollockywanstainstudentwankstuff type bollocks.

some films are there just to entertain. they don't have any hidden message. they are not attempting to dissect a small microcosm of society and attempt to provide a meaningful insight into its functions and the people involved in it.

Some films are just for fun and entertainment.. nothing else.

jesus fuck.

 

[Reno]

why cant some people seem to just enjoy a film for what it is.

they have to analyse it and break it down into various scenes that are then put up for discussion and compared to heavyweight Russian noir bollockywanstainstudentwankstuff type bollocks.

some films are there just to entertain. they don't have any hidden message. they are not attempting to dissect a small microcosm of society and attempt to provide a meaningful insight into its functions and the people involved in it.

Some films are just for fun and entertainment.. nothing else.

Yeah it's just a popcorn flick, switch of your brain, blah, blah blah...

 

[Dubversion]

Pretty Woman's just a bit of fun, why do people have to read all that horrible stuff into it?

 

[Barking_Mad]

Top Gun is about homosexuality. So it's said.

 

[Balbi]

Pretty Woman's just a bit of fun, why do people have to read all that horrible stuff into it?

Two, no actually, three words: Richard Fucking Gere

 

[Orang Utan]

Cos people like talking about films. It's would be boring if you came out of the cinema and all you could say was 'that was good, wasn't it?'

 

[Orang Utan]

some films are there just to entertain. they don't have any hidden message. they are not attempting to dissect a small microcosm of society and attempt to provide a meaningful insight into its functions and the people involved in it.

True, but some films succeed in doing this and some don't. Isn't it worth talking about why?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Some films are just for fun and entertainment.. nothing else.

Oh yeah? Then explain what's going on in Donnie Darko popcorn boy?

 

[Dubversion]

True, but some films succeed in doing this and some don't. Isn't it worth talking about why?

exactly. I like fun, entertaining films but if something jars, i'll notice it. i don't go looking for it, but as a reasonably sentient grown-up i tend to notice things that don't work for me.

 

[Pingu]

Cos people like talking about films. It's would be boring if you came out of the cinema and all you could say was 'that was good, wasn't it?'

you have a point I guess.

I can actually see people coming out of the forthcoming Simpsons Movie previews and sitting down in their black poloneck sweaters whist sipping an espresso and comparing the spiderpig scene to the bit in the passion of the christ where jebus...sorry jesus gets flogged. Obviously the creators of the simpsons movie are attempting to make a comparison between the suffering of the pig and that of Jesus. However The simpsons movie lacks a certain originality and dare I say realism in making this comparison that sadly renders the whole movie simply untenable. I mean Marges hairstyle is so obviously a statement about her repressed femininity and has a phallic connotation that compares to the scene in boringwankysubtitledforeignfilm where the lead actress suffers for her gender (in black and white) whilst fighting against the male dominated society she is forced to exist in.

spider pig.. spider pig.. does whatever a spider pig can...

 

[perplexis]

It doesn't even need to happen deliberately- I tend to spend my life analysing stuff, that's how I avoid walking into doors or making hideous social gaffes &c.
There's stuff that makes films better or worse, and thus more or less fun/entertaining. It doesn't really matter that it's all subjective or a matter of taste, it's a pretty unconscious process to watch and weigh up a film against other films you've seen and your own experience of the world....

 

[Pingu]

True, but some films succeed in doing this and some don't. Isn't it worth talking about why?

time and a place though innit. fair doos for some heavyweight film or one that is trying to make some sort of statement but something like Happy Feet, Pirates of the carribean etc? surely those are just about entertainment in the main.

 

[Madusa]

what's wrong with black polo neck sweaters, for fucks sake!

 

[Dubversion]

time and a place though innit. fair doos for some heavyweight film or one that is trying to make some sort of statement but something like Happy Feet, Pirates of the carribean etc? surely those are just about entertainment in the main.

you've missed the point. You don't necessarily sit down in front of POTC intending to critique it. But you also can't stop your brain reacting to what it sees. if something jars, or doesn't work, or annoys, or offends, you'll notice it regardless of whether you set out to find it.

that's how brains work

 

[sojourner]

I wouldn't analyse pap like Pirates, but I might with the Simps, cos I thoroughly enjoy tearing stuff to pieces for my own amusement, and the Simps has always provided me with loads of ammo for that - there's a lot of levels to work with

I can't read a book without analysing it to death either - and find it really frustrating when other people don't do that. I got some strange looks just wittering on a bit about The Road in the pub on Saturday so I try to keep it to people (or forums) who will respond

 

[Orang Utan]

time and a place though innit. fair doos for some heavyweight film or one that is trying to make some sort of statement but something like Happy Feet, Pirates of the carribean etc? surely those are just about entertainment in the main.

Well Happy Feet has been discussed a lot in the press about the ecological message it sends and whether this message is more or less successful in more serious films like An Inconvenient Truth. Surely that's worth talking about if it interests you?
And the Pirates films have attracted an awful lot of criticicisms due to their incoherent and over-complicated plotting. Surely a critic should talk about this in his her review of the film?
ETA - typos

 

[Dubversion]

somebody gave me shit for disliking parts of Children of Men - "why do you have to pick holes or analyse it". Well, it's a serious movie that demands to be considered as such, and such consideration led me to believe it very flawed.

Something like Pirates or the Simpsons movie don't invite such consideration, but that doesn't mean you don't notice stuff.

In fact, a good 'fun' movie is one where you DON'T pick holes, get critical, see subtexts. That means it has fulfilled its purpose.

 

[Dubversion]

I got some strange looks just wittering on a bit about The Road in the pub on Saturday so I try to keep it to people (or forums) who will respond

my absent Pie Face finished it yesterday so we did all that by MSN this morning

 

[sojourner]

my absent Pie Face finished it yesterday so we did all that by MSN this morning

I enjoyed a little textual intercourse with another mate who's read it, which provided some satisfaction

 

[Pingu]

Well Happy Feet has been discussed a lot in the press about the ecological message it sends and whether this message is more or less successful in more serious films like An Inconvenient Truth. Surely that's worth talking about if it interests you?
And the Pirates films have attracted an awful lot of criticicisms due to their incoherent and over-complicated plotting. Surely a critic should talk about this in his her review of the film?
ETA - typos

to a point i agree with you (bad example chosen in happy feet).

its the over analysis that bugs me. yeah discussing a film and how it links to some bits and bobs is natural but some people seem to have to dissect a film and break it down just for the sake of it. its this that I am getting at rather than a general discussion of stuff.

 

[Firky]

You'd love Transformers.

 

[Reno]

time and a place though innit. fair doos for some heavyweight film or one that is trying to make some sort of statement but something like Happy Feet, Pirates of the carribean etc? surely those are just about entertainment in the main.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_culture_studies

Intentionally or not, pop culture reflects the polititcal/aesthetic/sociological climate it comes out of. If you aren't interested to engage on that level then don't but also don't have a hissy fit if other people have a discussion that goes beyond "it was/wasn't crap" when it comes to popular culture.

Pirates of the Carrabian really doesn't lend itself to the type of discussion you seem to find so objectionable, so it's not even like you know what you are talking about.

 

[sojourner]

its the over analysis that bugs me. yeah discussing a film and how it links to some bits and bobs is natural but some people seem to have to dissect a film and break it down just for the sake of it. its this that I am getting at rather than a general discussion of stuff.

Guess I'm the type of bollockywankstain that you hate then

I do it purely because I get a kick out of it, and the more I discuss it and the more I uncover, the happier I get

 

[Dubversion]

to a point i agree with you (bad example chosen in happy feet).

its the over analysis that bugs me. yeah discussing a film and how it links to some bits and bobs is natural but some people seem to have to dissect a film and break it down just for the sake of it. its this that I am getting at rather than a general discussion of stuff.

it's because - ideally - people think about what they experience, rather than being passive consumers. i think you're also completely exaggerating the amount of subtextual analysis that goes on when it comes to fucking Pirates of the Caribbean

 

[chemn]

you've missed the point. You don't necessarily sit down in front of POTC intending to critique it. But you also can't stop your brain reacting to what it sees. if something jars, or doesn't work, or annoys, or offends, you'll notice it regardless of whether you set out to find it.

that's how brains work

What about those fucking annoying brains that insist on pointing out to there owners all the flaws, references and connotations down to the tiniest minutiae, and then insisting that they converse with people about these "fascinating" things in a manner that is designed solely to increase their owners' feelings of self importance!?!??!

Sorry, I've got a mate who's a total film buff, and talks about films every time I see him, and it completely bores me. And he talks 'intellectually' about how money is evil and if we could devise a system whereby everyone did something, then none of us would have to do hardly anything because everyone would be putting a bit in, blah blah blah.

Get f*ckin real! And sometimes, it's not a bad thing to reduce the description of a film down to a word or few.

 

[Orang Utan]

to a point i agree with you (bad example chosen in happy feet).

its the over analysis that bugs me. yeah discussing a film and how it links to some bits and bobs is natural but some people seem to have to dissect a film and break it down just for the sake of it. its this that I am getting at rather than a general discussion of stuff.

I'm not sure what you mean. What's wrong with 'analysing' (ie talking about in this case) films?
It seems like you are just criticising something cos you don't understand it

 

[Belushi]

Sorry, I've got a mate who's a total film buff, and talks about films every time I see him, and it completely bores me. And he talks 'intellectually' about how money is evil and if we could devise a system whereby everyone did something, then none of us would have to do hardly anything because everyone would be putting a bit in, blah blah blah.

Right, so you want people to stop taking an interest in things that dont interest you?

 

[Dubversion]

What about those fucking annoying brains that insist on pointing out to there owners all the flaws, references and connotations down to the tiniest minutiae, and then insisting that they converse with people about these "fascinating" things in a manner that is designed solely to increase their owners' feelings of self importance!?!??!

Sorry, I've got a mate who's a total film buff, and talks about films every time I see him, and it completely bores me. And he talks 'intellectually' about how money is evil and if we could devise a system whereby everyone did something, then none of us would have to do hardly anything because everyone would be putting a bit in, blah blah blah.

Get f*ckin real! And sometimes, it's not a bad thing to reduce the description of a film down to a word or few.

erm. you seem to be complaining about a string of unrelated and fairly fatuous things there. Get some new friends maybe?

 

[Belushi]

Lots of people are obsessed with Soccer and interested in the minutest details, I'm not but I dont expect people who are interested to stop just because I find it tedious.