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Egypt anti-government protests grow

I will be in Egypt later this week, going for a couple of weeks. I'm not really going for political stuff but - state violence allowing - I plan to go to Tahrir Sq and the university of Cairo to chat to people. Does anywhere know of anywhere else interesting to meet people involved in protests?
 
The military have just announced that they will empty Tahrir tonight by force. Hundreds of people are gathering despite the warning. I think we can expect serious confrontation tonight. Here are a few twitter posts

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Hello #Jan25 : At the Press Conf. now #EgyArmy #SCAF announced that they will Empty #Tahrir Square tonight by FORCE .. #FAIL #Egypt
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Several tents have been erected at the centre of the square, the numbers of ppl in #tahrir are growing, ppl chanting down with tantawi
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@adamakary: State radio: Zahi Hawas, Egypt's minister of antiquities, has shut down the muesum in #tahrir until further notice

@adamakary army issued a statement that was also on Reuters that they will use force to clear the square so life can go back to normal!
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@evanchill The Egyptian army has told TV crews that anyone live broadcasting their press conference today will be arrested." #jan25 #Tahrir
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Tahrir now. 3000 people gathered now and number are rising. Protesters are building barricades.

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Im very glad they have not stopped putting pressure on the regime, but I worry very much for their safety. Egypt still an inspiration to those who want to see people who have lost their fear, but I keep waiting for some brutal event to crush this phenomenon. Maybe tonight will be the night, but I've thought this on a number of nights before and it didnt materialise. Really sounding more likely now though than at any time since the first phase ended with Mubaraks resignation. Fingers crossed the people prevail.
 
If anyone is on twitter the following are all posting from Tahrir.

@adamakary @3effat @NoorNoor1 @fazerofzanight @liamstack @CWKhalil

The curfew begins in an hour and it looks like conflict is inevitable. I have a bad feeling about this. Numbers are low, only 2 to 3 thousand. The military have given a specific threat. The movement is divided about the next step. Public sympathy is not necessarily with the Tahrir protestors and the army is pissed off after last night.
 
Al jazeera ain't gonna help, theyre doing interview with lady who is bought into Mubarak.

Can somebody confirm though that today Mubarak appeared on tv . That is a huge step back if true. Did I see that or was that just the sun?
 
Al jazeera ain't gonna help, theyre doing interview with lady who is bought into Mubarak.

Can somebody confirm though that today Mubarak appeared on tv . That is a huge step back if true. Did I see that or was that just the sun?

He issued a audio statement which was broadcast on Al-Arabiya, denying corruption allegations. It's not a bad thing in its self. It means he is starting to feel the pressure of demands for him to stand trial. My guess is that he will probably be charged with corruption which is all very well in itself but kind of misses the point really which is that it the entire regime structure and the commitment to neo liberalism which is responsible for the gross inequalites etc in Egypt, not merely the wealth and corruption of the Mubaraks. It's a red herring in many ways and as we have seen over the past few days, things have moved on from there now with demands being raised for Tantawi to resign. Demands which are aimed directly at the military. As such we can see the focus on Mubarak as a diversion by the military to deflect the growing anger directed at them. Today the public prosecutor also detained former PM Ahmed Nazif and former housing minister Ibrahim Solimon, for 15 days while corruption investigations take place and tomorrow is the publication of his report into former regime corruption.So we can assume the net is closing in on former regime faces

The threatened crackdown on Tahrir last night didn't happen but Tahrir remains barricaded and several hundred people remain there. Twitter reports are saying that there are a lot of new faces there tonight. Some people describing them as "thugs" and "hooligans" looking for trouble. Not sure of the truth of that but the claims are coming from usually reliable people.

Picture of Tahrir right now.

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There is a pro Mubarak rally going on now too in Mohendiseen district (middle class business district) In respomse the public prosecuter announcement that he is to be called for investigation into his financial dealings

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I cant think of another situation where a government or military has made threats so many times, usually related to curfews, and then not backup up the threats with force. But in Egypt they have done it again and again, which I find interesting, as normally the state does not want its threats to appear empty.

As for why they actually did something on Friday night, I guess the presence of some army people siding with protesters was the thing they decided they must deal with. For some reason the BBC seemed to largely be ignoring this aspect of the story in its recent reporting, from what little I saw of their reporting anyway.
 
Probably time to come back to this thread - had assumed it had gone the way of the other ones. Happily seems OK.

The Role of Workers and Labor Unions in the Egyptian Revolution: Video Interview with Hossam Hamalawy (Part 1)

Unfortunately vid not in English yet - it's part 1 but it's only just been uploaded. The other later (but uploaded earlier) parts on the Army and the Elite can be found there too and are in English - i expect we've all seen them by now though - next part on the Muslim Brotherhood.
 
Excellent article here on the social forces that led to the January uprising. One of the best analyses I have read. I highly recommend it.

As the operations room lieutenant colonel recalled, “What we saw on January 25 was an uprising, not a demonstration. A young man standing in front of an armored vehicle, jumping on it to strike it, falling off and then doing it again? Honestly, there was no fear.”

On January 28, shortly after noon, a majestic scene unfolded all over Egypt. Grand processions of thousands upon thousands of people in every province made their way to the abodes of the oppressive forces that controlled their lives. Beckoning those watching from their windows, they chanted, “Our people, our people, come and join us!” When the crowds reached town and city centers, they encircled police stations, provincial government buildings and NDP headquarters, the triad of institutions emblematic of the regime. The syncopated chorus that had traveled from Sidi Bouzid to Tunis now shook the Egyptian earth: “The people...want...to overthrow the regime!”

The astonishment of the regime at the raw power and determination of the Egyptian masses is summed up by AL Adli head of Supreme police council when under interrogation by the chief prosecutor on charges of responsibility for the deaths of protestors he conceded.
The situation was beyond imagination. The faces of the demonstrators showed how clear they were in challenging the regime and how much they hated it, how willing they were to resist with their bodies all attempts to divide them with truncheons and water cannons and all other tools. They outnumbered security forces by a million or more, a fact that shocked the Interior Ministry leaders and the president. Those government officials all sat at home watching the demonstrations on TV. Not one of them devised a political solution to what policemen were facing -- confrontations with angry people and indescribable hatred of the government. All of us were astonished.

The Praxis of the Egyptian revolution

http://www.merip.org/mer/mer258/praxis-egyptian-revolution
 
Interesting stuff, I shall read that in full shortly.

I see that the earlier health story about Mubarak has expanded into the fully fledged 'things that make you go hmmm' scenario:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13053376

Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak is in intensive care after suffering a heart attack, say state media.

It happened as he was being questioned by prosecutors over allegations of corruption and the killing of hundreds of protesters, reports said.

The manager of the hospital in Sharm el-Sheikh was earlier quoted saying the 82-year-old's condition was stable.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/12/hosni-mubarak-hospitalised-egypt

As rumours circulated regarding both Mubarak's status and whereabouts, armed civilians – backed by military police – stormed Cairo's Tahrir Square, where a hardcore minority of protesters remain camped out. Several arrests were made.

Activists, who were already critical of Egypt's military authorities over their handling of the post-Mubarak "transition period", expressed scepticism and anger at news of his admittance to hospital.

"The fallen dictator must be locked up in a prison cell, not placed in a five-star hospital," argued Jano Charbel, a journalist. "I am afraid Mubarak will give us the biggest slap [by dying]," said the blogger Zeinobia.

And for bonus chin scratching:

On Friday, a rally in Tahrir ended in bloodshed after some army officers joined in demonstrations against the country's ruling generals, prompting military police to attack the crowds.

That incident raised suspicion among the armed forces, with the distrust deepening on Sunday when Mubarak – who has been under house arrest – was allowed to make his first public statement since being forced from office. He used the pre-recorded speech to deny accusations of embezzlement, saying: "They aim to tarnish my reputation and discredit my integrity, my stance, my political and military history during which I worked hard for Egypt and its people in peace and war."

Clearly some none too subtle games being played, as usual, although its hard to assume that I've got a complete picture about all of the layers involved. But here is a classic example of a particular trick the regime have used time and time again at various stages:

Essam Sharaf used a TV address to apologise for the violence in the capital, and promised a judicial investigation into the events. "What happened is strange, because Tahrir is the place where the people and the army became one," he told viewers, echoing a popular chant during the uprising.
 
US Senator pleaded with Tantawi over Nabil - with no result

Two days after blogger Maikel Nabil was secretly and in absentia sentenced to 3 years imprisonment by Cairo military court for 'insulting the army' a letter has surfaced showing political efforts from the U.S. Congress to get Maikel Nabil free.

On April 8, U.S. Senator Mark Kirk and Member of Congress Frank Wolf wrote personally to Field Marshal Tantawi, Chairman of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, asking him not to sentence Nabil but set him free.

In their letter the Senator and the Congressman point out:

"If growing confidence in Egypt is to go forward, then the government should not take rash, noticeable actions that attract international attention to Egypt."....
 
Video here of the military retaking Tahrir.



And the hospital where Mubarak is supposedly being "treated". I am suspicious about this very fortuitous turn of ill health but we shall see





There are some disturbing reports on twitter about the military arresting activists around town. Army officers going to coffee shops and making arrests and a raid on the Al Nassery party and arrests of activists. Also the military have issued a decree that all media go through military censors before publishing. Worrying stuff


English translation:
The Morale Affairs Department expresses its sincere greetings and its appreciation of your fruitful and constructive co-operation with your Armed Forces.
In light of this co-operation, we kindly request that you notify the different departments at your estimable institution of the necessity to refrain from publishing any items –stories, news, announcements, complaints, advertisement, pictures—pertaining to the Armed Forces or to Commanders of the Armed Forces without first referring to the Morale Affairs Department and the Department of Military Intelligence and Information Gathering, as these are the authorities specialised in reviewing such matters, and that is to ensure the safety and security of the homeland.
With my best wishes for your continued success.
22/03/2011
Major-General Ismail Muhammad Etman
 
Well given that his general health has long been said to be poor, there have been a number of moments where the chances of him snuffing it were being dwelled upon, and this isnt the first time that the timing has been interesting. Last time wasnt as dramatic as this one, but if I remember correctly it involved stories about how he was refusing to take his medications, and there was a hint that the regime might have been trying to elicit pubic sympathy for him at some important moment. I believe his views about which way to vote in the referendum were also made known via the media. And this heart attacks comes at such an interesting moment that it leads to more questions than answers. I suppose we shouldnt completely rule out the possibility that they really were questioning him and the stress caused this problem, it remains plausible even if there are also multiple dodgier explanations that also seem well possible.
 
Can anyone expand upon the claims made on the Libya thread that the Egyptian military government has been supplying the 'rebels' in Benghazi?
 
Can anyone expand upon the claims made on the Libya thread that the Egyptian military government has been supplying the 'rebels' in Benghazi?

Yes they are. With the full knowledge and support of Washington. This is no real surprise however. The Egyptian military remains a puppet tool of the US and is still the biggest recipient of US aid after Israel. It recieves $2 billion in US military aid annually. In reality it is the US who are arming the rebels through Egypt
We know the Egyptian military council is helping us, but they can't be so visible," said Hani Souflakis, a Libyan businessman in Cairo who lobbies the Egyptian government on the rebels’ behalf. "Americans have given the green light to the Egyptians to help. The Americans don't want to be involved in a direct level, but the Egyptians wouldn't do it if they didn't get the green light."

http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/egypt-arming-libya-rebels-wall-street-journal-reports

Saudi Arabia are also supplying the rebels with weapons which makes sense of course because of Saudi Arabia's long and deep historical commitment to democracy in the Arab world
http://atlanticsentinel.com/2011/03/america-asks-saudi-arabia-to-arm-libyas-rebels/
 
12.10pm – Egypt: Jack Shenker has just contacted me to say that the two Mubarak sons have been transferred to Tora prison, a notorious jail just south of Cairo where many of their father's political prisoners were holed up for years. Eyewitnesses say Gamal and Alaa arrived "in a state of disbelief", handcuffed and clad in white prison jumpsuits.

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This is a significant event and a great moment and I hesitate to place a "but" underneath it, BUT, it is also significant in that it underlines the limitations (so far) of the events that have swept Egypt. Thus far the actions of the military have met the demands of the democracy movement to the extent that their concessions have not only not touched on the interests of the military but have coincided with what the military want.

The very reason that the military did not step in to crush the uprising in its early days is that the demands of the uprising mirrored the concerns of the military. In particular the attempt by Mubarak to move the civilian apparatus away from a purely military hereditary regime, with Presidential power remaining within military circles, towards a Mubarak family hereditory regime. Poor Gamal, might he well be "in a state of disbelief," less than a year ago he was being groomed as Mubaraks successor, today he is in a prison cell.

It is precisely the direction that Mubarak attempted to take the regime that guaranteed his alienation from the military and the fall of the regime. By stepping in when it did, the military skillfully managed to rid itself of a growing business class of neo-liberal cronies around Mubarak that directly threatened their economic interests and also engineered the continuation of its own power by wrapping itself in the language and symbols of the revolution. Thus guaranteeing that attacks on the military can be portrayed as an attack on the revolution itself. The military are Egypt and the military are the revolution. To oppose them is to be a counter revolutionary and a traitor to Egypt. This is the ideological narrative.

As we have seen in the past weeks, every demand aimed at the military itself has been sidestepped, ignored and ultimately crushed. More importantly they were crushed with widespread public support. And they recieved widespread support because the military successfully portrayed the protests as counter revolutionary and as damaging to Egypt, ie as un-patriotic. The recent demonstrations in Tahrir were crushed and they were crushed precisely because the demands that were being raised were aimed not at Mubarak but at Tantawi. Moreover they were crushed by first labelling those who dared demonstrate against the military as being counter revolutionaries. It was crushed using the language of the revolution itself by a military regime that is attempting to present itself as the guardian of that revolution. This is not a new trick. It was exactly the tactic used by Nasser in 52 when a popular mass movement was adopted by the free officers who then acted in its name its crush all independent political actions. So yes it is good that the Mubarak cronies are suffering in prison. We should however be aware that the military is using such prosecutions to consolodate its own power and to decelerate the calls for democratic change and the limits of that change are at the door of the military itself
 
Statement here by April 6th movement in reference to the NYT article which claimed US involvement in the Egyptian uprising

April 6 youth movement goes through an intentionally and intensive discredit campaigns and media distortion from different sources, whether internally or externally. Aiming to question the integrity and disperse its members. Those campaign Alleged that members receive external funding or publishing faked pages holding the movement’s name and logo. Those campaigns will not distract us from achieving our goals, but it will strengthen our resolve and increase our determination.

We declare that the movement has depended since its inception on the youth and the great people of Egypt, membership fees, donations from noble people, and those who believe in its case, and not to those elements or any third party (whether Arab or Foreigners) by any mean. As we are keen from the beginning to be away from any suspicious lesion, we, April 6th youth emphasize that we did not received any financial support from any place whatsoever.

It comes in the context of denial of what “New York Times “newspaper had published on Friday, April 15 in its article concerning April 6 youth movement, which is described as an opinion piece and not news which there is huge difference between them - where it was distort the facts using people who do not belong to the movement and isolated and independent activists away from it, statements attributed to them on behalf of the movement. And also it handled news which is supported by the names or facts bearing on the ratification such as Wiki leaks Document and other flimsy news.

We recall that what was published is totally contrary with the administration's position statement by the U.S. secretary of state, "Hillary Clinton" on Jan. 26 saying (that the situation in Egypt is stable and that they trust Mubarak regime is stable). It also declared its confidence in Mubarak regime, As these days is the start of preparations for the U.S. elections, presidential elections in America and the Democrats need any balance supported by externally or internally to polish the image of Barrack Obama and show him to the American public in support for the deployment of freedoms and democracy in the world, America will remain the same , as they are trying to convince the world that they are fully in control, as Arab revolutions broke the illusion and made a surprise earthquake.

Therefore, we call on all the media to investigate the accuracy in what they write about the movement and its news, this article published in "New York Times," Newspaper, was copied in the web news of "Alyoom Alsabe’a" newspaper as a press release published in the newspaper and not as an article - whether it happened with good or bad intention - we deny what came in its content. We also call “Alyoom Alsabe’a” newspaper to follow accuracy. And to make sure that insistence and dependence on God and then on the conscious revolutionary Egyptian people who made freedom and not through anything else or rely on external forces, was standing with the Mubarak regime frankly all the time.

We also emphasize that we are going to sue any media as well as anyone trying to tarnish our reputation by publishing accusations without evidence, and we ask everyone who has evidences for those accusation to immediately hand it to the Attorney General. As we are not going to tolerate attempts to drag our image or hurting us.

In this context, we announce that there are some people trying to distort the movement image internally as it has been observed in the recent period the spread of some of the pages and groups which they assume to represent April 6th Movement by using the slogans and logos.

Therefore, we found that we must alert all to not deal with any face book groups or pages except for those which are mentioned in this statement, let us hope for the nascent movements that emerged from April 6th movement strong competition in the noble service of the nation in achieving of its people’s.

As we have chosen, with insistence, will and homeland love, to walk through the thorns in hardest road, face of repression, arrests and humiliation from Mubarak regime, we did not seek to gain fame or to pursue the personal interests, and we will not pay attention to such trivialities, as we now looking for completing our way which we have started since 4 years and fought the whole corrupted system for it, which pursuit of a better future for Egypt. We clear that steadfastness of principle is our way... Therefore, it is normal that we face lots and lots of media distortion campaigns from different sources, as the way behind us was hardest, and what remains from it is the longest in order to achieve the wonderful dream, the dream of building a free nation.
 
Their threats to sue are a joke but I can see why they arent pleased.

The wikileaks diplomatic cables are not flimsy, but it comes down to what case people are trying to build with them. They certainly dont show that the whole thing was a US setup, or that the groups concerned are mere puppets of the US. Rather they showed a few examples of the US taking an interest in some opposition groups, and ina few cases helping them out a little bit.

By far the biggest help the US gave to such groups was by coming up with the internet & many of these web-based services in the first place. This should not take anything away from what the groups themselves have achieved.

Anyways, since Mubarak fell I've been more than a little curious as to the fate of Suleiman, as he just became an unperson once he had announced Mubaraks departure. Finally get some news on his status:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/04/2011419135452796989.html

Omar Suleiman, the former Egyptian vice-president, has been questioned in connection with violence against protesters during the uprising that toppled Hosni Mubarak, the president, the general prosecutor's office has said.

Rawya Rageh, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Cairo, said: "It actually is not clear if Mr Omar Suleiman is under house arrest or not.

"We do know for a fact that he's not being detained pending those investigations, we know that he was summoned on Monday to be questioned over information he would have been privy to in his capacity as intelligence chief of the country.

"We know that there has been no official announcement banning him from travel like the other members of the inner circle of president Mubarak."
 
This is worth noting. The death toll from the Egyptian uprising is now estimated at at least 846. Over double earlier estimates, according to a government fact finding mission. Bless them all. Heroes every one.

CAIRO (AP) — At least 846 Egyptians died in the nearly three-week-long popular uprising that toppled long-serving President Hosni Mubarak, electrifying the region, a government fact-finding mission announced Tuesday.

In their report, the panel of judges described police forces shooting protesters in the head and chest with live ammunition and presented a death toll more than twice that of previous official estimates.

"The fatal shots were due to firing bullets at the head and the chest," the report read, adding that "a huge number of eye injures," filled hospitals, and hundreds lost their sight.

Earlier official estimates put out by a Mubarak associate had put the toll from the days of demonstrations, in which protesters battled heavily armed legions of riot police, at 365, but local groups had put the figure much higher.

http://uruknet.info/?p=m76985&fb=1
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/26/egypt-elite-still-presidents-men

Some people – the elite thinkers who write in newspapers – want to empty the revolution of its significance. They want to turn it into a song that we listen to yearly on 25 January, just as we listen to "I love you Egypt" songs during processions of national hypocrisy.

All their writings sound the same, revolving around the same concealed idea, as if they meet at night and agree upon it. "Oh, pure youth of the revolution," they say, "you are noble; you rise above revenge. You are the youth of a pure revolution, not like the French revolution that executed King Louis XVI and his family. Your white revolution shed no blood."

Their tears pour with the flowing ink of their pens. But they did not shed tears for the youth who were killed and wounded on the streets and in Tahrir Square. They did not cry for the youth who lost their eyesight to the snipers' rubber bullets, or for the people of Egypt who have suffered hunger, unemployment, and abuse in prisons. They only shed tears for leaders who have spilled blood and taken money.
 
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