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Egypt: "4 out of 5 women sexually harassed, 2/3rd of men admit assaulting women"

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It's from a BBC article based on a poll - so take it with a few bucketfuls of salt - but a recent study claimed that four out of five women have been sexually harassed, while nearly two-thirds of men admitted assaulting women.

Seven Egyptian women talk about their experience of sexual harassment on the streets of Cairo. It is an increasingly common problem, with a recent survey suggesting more than four out of five women have been sexually harassed, while nearly two-thirds of men admitted assaulting women.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7593765.stm

Is it really that bad out there? Anyone been out there recently? Or is just as bad here?
 
Ive spent quite a bit of time there, over several years and its the worst place Ive been for full on, nonstop, continuous harassment.

Walking by yourself, with a partner or a group of friends, dressed modestly- full sleeves and long skirt, IT DOESN'T MATTER IN CAIRO- you still get enough hassle to make you want to punch folk in the street pre-emptively.
 
My old girls been all over the place but tells me Cairo is the worse place shes been for hassle.
 
Its been discussed here quite a bit. CAiro got a few mentions on the Cities you dont like thread from earlier this year http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=245620&highlight=Cities+don't+like

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But then I was exposed to the street hustlers and hounded every step of the way- the 'my uncle has a perfume shop, please come with me' or the 'how far up this girl's skirt can I stick my hand before she slaps me' varieties particularly sap your energy.

In Cairo the amount of men who will lay hands on you- even when you are just asking for directions- appalled me and Ive spent a a chunk of time in a few Arab towns and neighbourhoods. Yes, I dressed appropriately and yes I challenged it and shamed them loudly every time, but the constant fucking effort saps your energy.

Some guy hassles you on the street- you see him off, another man comes up to help you- you thank him and smile- he then puts his hand in the small of your back and calls you habibi, you stop smiling and walk off quickly with your 'rescuer' in hot pursuit. So you slip into a store to avoid him. Then the hard sell to buy a carpet/ camera/ papyrus starts! I ended up memorising a lot of the major routes in Cairo because I refused to talk to men I didnt know!

You need patience, to keep calm , to be appropriate, and to be friendly and that all takes energy which seeps out of you because of the heat... <snip>

I like that if I go back now and can handle myself in the street, my colleagues are all like "Wha??!" :)
 
I've only been to Cairo once, and I was with a large group of people so I wasn't hassled particularly. Except at the pyramids/Sphinx. That was mainly to do with people super-persistently trying to persuade me to have a camel ride ride though.
 
The missus had her tits groped and arse grabbed more than a few times on her trip and was accompanied into a public toilet by one hopeful looking fellow...


:rolleyes:
 
The link doesn't give much info on the survey itself (eg how was it carried out, by whom, sample size, what was asked etc), just seven reactions. So hard to know how to take the specifics of the claims.

However, much is known about women's experience in Egypt from writers like Leila Ahmed, and that put together with anecdotal stuff paints a picture not too far from what the survey reportedly says.
 
So does this happen because their society is extremely sexist or because their society has made sex taboo and therefore sexual tensions are extremely high, or a combination or other factors?
 
So does this happen because their society is extremely sexist or because their society has made sex taboo and therefore sexual tensions are extremely high, or a combination or other factors?


Possibly a combination of the two, combined with the fact that Western women are generally considered to be shameless nymphomaniacs who will drop their knickers for anyone at any time.

This image of western women seems to be consistent across many places in the Middle East.

i am sure there are other factors.
 
A really good Egyptian friend says its because while 9 out of 10 western women will slap a guy's face for groping, 1 out of 10 women will...er allow their attentions.

The guys keep up the hassle in the hope of finding that elusive western slapper who enjoys the arse grabbing.
 
Wouldn't it be great if 9 out of 10 western women responded with pepper spray in the eye? I think it's time to raise the level of violence. 'Shaming' them obviously has zero effect. They probably think that being slapped is a badge of honour. Ignorant fuckers.
 
Wouldn't it be great if 9 out of 10 western women responded with pepper spray in the eye? I think it's time to raise the level of violence. 'Shaming' them obviously has zero effect. They probably think that being slapped is a badge of honour. Ignorant fuckers.
The article is about Egyptian women being assaulted. We aren't told what the survey measures.

BBC said:
Seven Egyptian women talk about their experience of sexual harassment on the streets of Cairo. It is an increasingly common problem, with a recent survey suggesting more than four out of five women have been sexually harassed, while nearly two-thirds of men admitted assaulting women.
 
Possibly a combination of the two, combined with the fact that Western women are generally considered to be shameless nymphomaniacs who will drop their knickers for anyone at any time.

This image of western women seems to be consistent across many places in the Middle East.

i am sure there are other factors.

You're right but all the women in this are Egyptian women so there's obviously a problem there beyond their perception of Western women and more to do with their perception of women in general.

Reading those articles you can't help but wonder how many of those incidents end up as rape - something that Egyptian women would not want to talk to the BBC about.

I was friendly with a Turkish women last year who was over in London studying for a while and she received constant harrassment on public transport in Ankara...

Maybe its an Islamic thing

There's certainly a deep rooted and fundamental problem with how the male populations relate to women
 
I don't really see any difference between the type of harassment these women face and somebody who is racially harassed on a daily basis.

It's all vulgar and just as shocking / wrong
 
Maybe its an Islamic thing

There's certainly a deep rooted and fundamental problem with how the male populations relate to women

I dont think its an Islamic thing, Ive experienced worrying hassle in lots of places including Sinhala neighbohoods in Sri Lanka and in Christian Arab towns in Israel.

Also, try walking through the Bigg Market on a Friday night.
 
I'm probably very out of touch as it's been 15+ years since I spent three weeks in Cairo (on my own) but I didn't have too much of problem with being hassled (other than the usual sales pitch given to women OR men)

A guy did follow me for a while when I walked to the Khan el Khalli market but disapeared after I shouted "Imshee" at him and the hotel owner tried to chat me up :D but that was all I can remember, other than the sort of light hearted jokey comments which were not in bad taste. No one actually touched me.

That probably says something about my age and appearance :(:D
 
I read something the other day about five women in Pakistan being beaten and buried alive for nothing more than wanting to choose who they married. Sadly, there are worse problems for women there than sexual harrassment.
 
I read something the other day about five women in Pakistan being beaten and buried alive for nothing more than wanting to choose who they married. Sadly, there are worse problems for women there than sexual harrassment.
Yea why is Egypt being singled out? Has something happened over there recently? Why isn't the report based on all countries where this is a problem, like Pakistan as you say, or Saudi Arabia which in my opinion is the most fucked up country in the world ever
 
Not surprised at all, I lived in Cairo for a while and was verbally harrassed on a daily basis. Got so I barely noticed it any more. Only got touched once though. Using the women-only tube carriages helps. Buses are a deviant's nightmare. Apparently a lot of Egyptian women use their hijab pins as a deterrent on the buses.

In Syria - no harassment. In Jordan - no harassment. In Turkey - loads of harassment in Istanbul, very little in Cappadochia or on the borders. In Iran - the one bloke who touched me up got the shit kicked out of him by a policeman.

So no, I don't think you can say it's a Muslim thing. Something else going on. Possibly to do with whether or not you get beaten up and thrown into prison for touching someone up.
 
LJo- I used the women only carriages too, but I have to say I found them just as stressful. Being stared down by 80 disapproving women in a carriage is just awful.

And it isnt simple interest, its scorn and dislike, and 'what are you doing here.' It hurt worse than the constant verbals out on the street, because I'd assumed that the all female environment would be a sanctuary away from the bullshit.

I swear some days in the first few months of my stay, I just kept my head down and didnt look at anyone unless I was spoken to directly.



But yeah- Jordan no trouble, Tunisia lots of hassle, Israel was mixed: Jerusalem limited hassle, Druze villages mucho hassle, Israeli Arab towns limited hassle. Morocco, despite tourist police- hassle.
 
In Syria - no harassment. In Jordan - no harassment. In Turkey - loads of harassment in Istanbul, very little in Cappadochia or on the borders. In Iran - the one bloke who touched me up got the shit kicked out of him by a policeman.

So no, I don't think you can say it's a Muslim thing. Something else going on. Possibly to do with whether or not you get beaten up and thrown into prison for touching someone up.
Not been to any of those places so can't comment from experience, but intend to visit at some point so have heard a fair bit about them. I think you can say it's a Muslim thing in certain places (Muslim places, obviously!). Syria and Jordan aren't as Islamic as somewhere like Saudi Arabia and possibly Egypt (?). I know in Saudi Arabia a lot of their problems are linked to sexual frustration with sex practically being made illegal (hence why this "Islamic" paradise has a prostitution problem just as bad as any western country). Perhaps in places like Pakistan or Egypt, in certain areas, sexual relations outside of marriage might also be illegal, if not most certain considered taboo by society.

Of course, sex outside of marriage being considered taboo is most certainly not limited to Muslim societies, which may explain similar experiences in other countries. Also, the position of women in all countries mentioned is pretty low and possibly offers other explanations as to why women are treated so shit there, and that also isn't limited to Muslim countries.

I think these problems are cultural, but as religion makes up part of culture, in Islamic places Islam, if intense (like in Saudi Arabia/Pakistan) is gonna be part of the problem. Similar to how where Christianity is very intense in parts of America it contributes to the problems associated with that culture, but doesn't mean everywhere Christian shows the same problems...
 
Here is an article about the honor killings of the five women in Pakistan:

The Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) has received information from a remote area of Balochistan province, that five women were buried alive, allegedly by the younger brother of Mr. Sadiq Umrani, the provincial minister and a prominent leader of the Pakistan People's Party, the ruling party. However, police have still not arrested the perpetrators after one month of the incident.

http://www.stophonourkillings.com/?name=News&file=article&sid=2927
 
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