Dune - dir. Denis Villeneuve

[Gromit]

I call rubbish on that. Where in the book is this?

I agree.
Feyd has a whole harem of concubines that the Baron makes him kill to teach him a lesson.
Which he does grudgingly for a chance at Emperor.

 

[Cerv]

(in the book, I've not seen movie 2 yet)
the Baron's plan was for Rabban to brutalise the population of Arakkis to an extreme, so that Feyd would be welcomed as a saviour in comparison when he was put in to replace Rabban. not particularly that either of Rabban or Feyd was truly more or less of a monster in the Harkonnen way.
perhaps that's what he was thinking of.

 

[seventh bullet]

I agree.
Feyd has a whole harem of concubines that the Baron makes him kill to teach him a lesson.
Which he does grudgingly for a chance at Emperor.

After Feyd had tried to assassinate the baron, a talent for treacherous scheming that he admired and thought was a quality that confirmed his belief Feyd was the best choice to inherit his position rather than thick as pig shit Rabban.

 

[seventh bullet]

(in the book, I've not seen movie 2 yet)
the Baron's plan was for Rabban to brutalise the population of Arakkis to an extreme, so that Feyd would be welcomed as a saviour in comparison when he was put in to replace Rabban. not particularly that either of Rabban or Feyd was truly more or less of a monster in the Harkonnen way.
perhaps that's what he was thinking of.

In the film, Rabban is more so brutal + incompetent at crushing the guerillas and cowing the population. Feyd is not the relief from Rabban's rule, but rather very brutally escalates the violence and is very good at it (lots of dead Fremen), in the North at least.

 

[krtek a houby]

Still experiencing post film comedown. Memory is very poor but feel that Chani has more agency than in the book? Which is good because Zendaya has a much stronger role in part two, as does Rebecca Ferguson. No Thufir, though!

 

[seventh bullet]

She was moulded into 'love interest' but I liked her in this, her character did have more to her than that, despite the general shape of the above and the stilted dialogue. The young actor played her well.

 

[sleaterkinney]

I thought it was clumsy and everything was spelt out for you. The Fremen deserved a bit more than that imo.

 

[mwgdrwg]

I really enjoyed watching part 2 at the cinema, the sound was amazing.

My only issue was that the last 30 minutes was rushed compared to the previous 5 hours of both films. I was scratching my head about some of the motivations and what was happening (not read the book).

 

[krtek a houby]

I really enjoyed watching part 2 at the cinema, the sound was amazing.

My only issue was that the last 30 minutes was rushed compared to the previous 5 hours of both films. I was scratching my head about some of the motivations and what was happening (not read the book).

Not as rushed as the Lynch version, which feels like someone hit the fast forward button.

 

[seventh bullet]

That was out of his hands, though. I like the Lynch adaptation, despite it being a mess. It still looks lush.

 

[krtek a houby]

That was out of his hands, though. I like the Lynch adaptation, despite it being a mess. It still looks lush.

Yeah, visuals are ace and was fond of it but some of the clunkier moments are a bit jarring when you revisit it after the years. That said, it's far better (imho) than the telly adaptation, which was led to believe was a masterpiece. Nope.

 

[seventh bullet]

It's batshit in design, in a good way. The Heighliner above Caladan scene with Atreides cargo ships like tiny almonds passing through a gigantic, ornate doorway. That kind of thing.

 

[Idaho]

The lynch film had much better costumes and visuals. It handled the spice and the prescient stuff much better.

 

[mwgdrwg]

Something I missed from the Lynch version was weaponising the voice. I was disappointed when it didn't happen.

Was it in the book?

 

[DotCommunist]

'his name is a killing sound' was not in the book and was my first gripe when I watched lynch's version all them years ago for the 1st time. Theres quite a few versions of Lynch's one now with added footage, I can't recall if the meeting between the guild navigator in his tank and shaddam was in the original or a later re edit.

Something I missed from the Lynch version was weaponising the voice. I was disappointed when it didn't happen.

Was it in the book?

 

[Gromit]

Something I missed from the Lynch version was weaponising the voice. I was disappointed when it didn't happen.

Was it in the book?

No.

He instead makes a threat that he could order someone’s death and they interpret that as part of the prophesy “his word shall carry death eternal”.

Lynch took it literally which I too enjoyed even though I probably shouldn’t.

 

[mentalchik]

Yeah, visuals are ace and was fond of it but some of the clunkier moments are a bit jarring when you revisit it after the years. That said, it's far better (imho) than the telly adaptation, which was led to believe was a masterpiece. Nope.

It's proper dogshit imo

 

[Cerv]

finally saw this last night.
a beautiful movie. and I did enjoy it. but I can't help but feel it didn't quite live up to part 1.

the main aspect that let it down I feel -

Spoiler: spoilers specific to the movie not the the novel

the compressed timeline imposed by keeping Jessica pregnant with Alia throughout.
Paul learning the Fremen ways, his relationship with Chani, Hallek starting his life anew with the smugglers, the waging a sustained guerrilla war against the Harkonnen occupation, and bringing down a galactic empire. when each of these happens in a matter of a few weeks they feel too easy. when all of them happen together in the same, it's too much.

 

[Crispy]

I think you'd only really care about that if you'd read the book so it's not a big deal really.
I'm itching to see it again and might even go back to the cinema which is something I don't think I've ever done.

 

[Orang Utan]

I’m just about to become a book wanker. Going in…

 

[krtek a houby]

I think you'd only really care about that if you'd read the book so it's not a big deal really.
I'm itching to see it again and might even go back to the cinema which is something I don't think I've ever done.

Will happily watch it again, like part one. On book four and am smitten with it all, not hugely worried if there's a few deviations.

 

[mentalchik]

My youngest son very kindly bought me a lovely new hardback edition as a present yesterday (to cheer me up as i am going through some mental shit at the moment)....my copy is well over 40 years old and very....well loved

 

[Gramsci]

One thing about the film I don't remember from the book is the split in the Fremen between those in the north who are secular freedom fighters and they way they dislike the majority in the south who are waiting for the Messiah. Those in north have no time for the religious nonsense ( as they see it) of the southerners.

Is this a reference to the present middle east. Watching the bit where the Fremen come out of the sand to attack the heavily armed troops did remind me of Gaza where IDF are still being attacked by Hamas coming out the tunnels.

The way the Harkonnen change tack and start to destroy where the Fremen live reminds me of Gaza to undermine resistance

Is this the director and his writers updating the story.

After all in the book the next step is a holy jihad that will kill millions before Paul becomes the supreme ruler.

I see some of the criticism here that this is reactionary story compared to say with early Star Trek. But its part of the book. Cannot see how any adaption can avoid that. Its a valid criticism of the story.

As has been said there are other writers from the left of Sci Fi like Ursula LeGuin who whose book could be made into films.

I don't think Frank Herbert is particularly right wing sci fi. More the American hippy drug altering side.

It can be read I think as a dystopia. Mind altering drugs do not bring enlightenment. Sociology/ knowledge can be used to manipulate and control societies ( Bene Gesserit) instead of freeing people. Even those who realise what Paul is doing believe he should go along with his destiny.

 

[rubbershoes]

It's probably been said already but the B&W bits in the coliseum and before the final attack seemed very Leni Riefenstahl inspired

 

[May Kasahara]

fun detail - sting apparently still has the power pants from the david lynch movie when he played harkinens evil nephew and according to Austin butler (who plays him in the new version)

Sting still has the codpiece he wore in David Lynch's 'Dune'

Sting still owns the famous blue codpiece that he memorably wore in David Lynch’s 1984 film version of 'Dune'.

www.nme.com

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The teenage mate who got me into Dune had a big crush on Sting. This scene barely played on her VHS copy

 

[Orang Utan]

Not official confirmation, but this article seems to let slip that Villeneuve is definitely making Dune Messiah:

Legendary, ‘Dune’ Helmer Denis Villeneuve Re-Team On ‘Nuclear War: A Scenario’

Legendary Entertainment has optioned Annie Jacobsen's Nuclear War: A Scenario as a potential reteam with Dune: Part Two director Denis Villeneuve.

deadline.com

 

[belboid]

Not official confirmation, but this article seems to let slip that Villeneuve is definitely making Dune Messiah:

Legendary, ‘Dune’ Helmer Denis Villeneuve Re-Team On ‘Nuclear War: A Scenario’

Legendary Entertainment has optioned Annie Jacobsen's Nuclear War: A Scenario as a potential reteam with Dune: Part Two director Denis Villeneuve.

deadline.com

that and his talk about the scripts, how zimmer is already working on the score....

 

[Leighsw2]

Saw Part 2 last Sunday - great! Pleased I saw it in the cinema (saw Part 1 on TV). Now I've done that I can go back and re-watch David Lynch's version.

 

[kalidarkone]

 

[Orang Utan]