Dulwich Hamlet FC 2013-2014 season - chat, rumours, reports

[Thimble Queen]

Brilliant time at Clapton last night. Been feeling fucking rough all day tho

It can't make the Dulwich away game on Sat... So I'm thinking of going to Clapton instead. If anyone wants to join....

 

[Jamie Wyatt]

Only if the contract is for more than one year. I think before last season Gavin said they'd agreed he'd stay for this year and he's been looking for a move so I'd be surprised if it ran past the end of the season.

Danny Carr was only contracted until the end of last season, Huddersfield bought him!!

 

[Yorick]

He will be one of the ones on contract, so should be some sort of fee, with mayb a friendly, if trial goes well!!

The only upside of this would be a Dulwich v Dingles friendly. I happen to know a few songs about Burnley.

 

[Champion_hill]

I am not sure that any of our players have more than year long contracts, if so then in the case of all the young players we have sold in recent years, it's no different to Erhun.

Obviously there is more to it then clubs just being reasonable but when a potential fee would likely only equate to one of their players weekly wage, I think it's fair to expect to something.

Although I dislike them for it, I guess the Hull situation was different as the player didn't want a contract with us.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Actually one thing I forgot is that there's a fee involved when players under a certain age move out of contract - for 'development' or something. I can't remember what age though. If it's 21 we're out of luck. Bit older then I was wrong and there will be a fee.

 

[technical]

Its 24 isn't it?

My first visit to watch Dulwich last Saturday for over ten years. Thoroughly enjoyed it, although have to say best team won.

Slightly surprised to see Oztumer may be joining Burnley - he was pretty anonymous on Saturday and surely his size is going to count against him at Championship/potentially Premiership level. How good is he?

 

[Scutta]

Its 24 isn't it?

My first visit to watch Dulwich last Saturday for over ten years. Thoroughly enjoyed it, although have to say best team won.

Slightly surprised to see Oztumer may be joining Burnley - he was pretty anonymous on Saturday and surely his size is going to count against him at Championship/potentially Premiership level. How good is he?

he's looked a bit out of sorts the last couple of games...wonder whether he's held back cos he knows he had this trial coming up... but he is pure class.... i mean over 30 goals from not the main striker... his link up play ....dead ball ability .... and he even has that flair to try the most audacious chips and long range efforts.. and not only try he pulls them off ....he's got it all... well except for height!

It's been and absolute pleasure to watch him over the last couple of seasons..... come down more to get a look before hes gone!!

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

He did go off before the end a few games ago and was hobbling around after the game. He's obviously been fit enough to get around but I wonder if he's been carrying a slight injury which has made him a bit less effective. Maybe not though if he passed all Burnley's fitness tests.

He's a brilliant player at this level. Best player in the league by a long way IMO. Whether he can do it at Championship level I don't know as it's a massive step up. It might be easier for him in a way though than Conference/League 2 sort of level because hopefully his teammates won't be humping it in his vague direction and asking him to win the ball.

 

[Balbi]

Erm, given how Burnley are 7 clear in second with not too many games remaining, they could be Premier league next season

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

It would be great to see him in the Premier League but you have to wonder how many games he'd get. If Burnley do go up they'll probably be spending most games defending most of the time. He's not the ideal player for that sort of game.

All this is assuming they do decide they want to sign him of course.

 

[Pink Panther]

Its 24 isn't it?

My first visit to watch Dulwich last Saturday for over ten years. Thoroughly enjoyed it, although have to say best team won.

Slightly surprised to see Oztumer may be joining Burnley - he was pretty anonymous on Saturday and surely his size is going to count against him at Championship/potentially Premiership level. How good is he?

24 is the age below which other clubs have to offer a fee for a player even if he is out-of-contract, as opposed to non-contract. At the moment we can refuse to sell if we're not happy with the fee offered. Once the player is out of contract (in Erhun's case at the end of the season) we can't stop him moving and the fee will be decided by a transfer tribunal if necessary. Erhun won't be 24 until after the end of next season.

I don't feel Erhun's lack of height is a barrier to him playing in the Football League, after all he's already been a pro at two Turkish Super Lig clubs. In the pre-season games we played against pro clubs I thought he stood out really well and the Palace fans on their "Holmesdale online" forum were very impressed, saying they couldn't understand why he wasn't a pro by now. (He also impressed against them in the pre-season game a year earlier.) My only reservation would be that he is so one-footed. He's scored more goals with his head than with his right foot!

 

[Joe K]

24 is the age below which other clubs have to offer a fee for a player even if he is out-of-contract, as opposed to non-contract. At the moment we can refuse to sell if we're not happy with the fee offered. Once the player is out of contract (in Erhun's case at the end of the season) we can't stop him moving and the fee will be decided by a transfer tribunal if necessary. Erhun won't be 24 until after the end of next season.

I don't feel Erhun's lack of height is a barrier to him playing in the Football League, after all he's already been a pro at two Turkish Super Lig clubs. In the pre-season games we played against pro clubs I thought he stood out really well and the Palace fans on their "Holmesdale online" forum were very impressed, saying they couldn't understand why he wasn't a pro by now. (He also impressed against them in the pre-season game a year earlier.) My only reservation would be that he is so one-footed. He's scored more goals with his head than with his right foot!

I think the disappearance of his headed goals will be one of the things that would be visible in any step up. Some of my favourite Erhun goals have been his headers - that looped one against Three Bridges this time last year, the stooping bullet header away at Enfield - but they nearly all come about when the other team are defending ineptly.

The long-rangers and free kicks will work at any level, providing he can get the space to try them (which I think he would in the Championship). The player he reminds me of most is my old Darlington favourite Robbie Blake, who was similarly unprepossessing physically in his early twenties and yet stepped up fairly seamlessly from the bottom division to what was then Division One and scored plenty of Erhun-style ranged efforts from a playmaking No 10 role. Size needn't be an issue as both the Championship and L1 are, contrary top their reputations, fairly technical leagues in which flair is often rewarded over physicality. I'd worry about him in L2, though. That division is kryptonite to players like Erhun.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I I'd worry about him in L2, though. That division is kryptonite to players like Erhun.

Yeah, I'd agree with that. And the Conference. Having watched football at that level for years it really seems to me the biggest difference between that league and the Isthmian isn't so much skill as it is pace and size.

I think that might be how Gavin managed to sell the idea of staying another season to him.

 

[Joe K]

L2 and Conference football can be intensely grim. Watching Darlo and Dulwich between steps 3 and 5 has provided more entertainment than I saw for a very, very long time in the bottom two professional leagues. It's partly because the standard of defending drops quicker than the standard of attacking, I think - there are just far more opportunities for goals and the centre-backs rarely combine size, pace and anticipation.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I think it's partly that being professional allows teams to develop the organisation and fitness that that requires in a way that semi-pro teams can't.

 

[pompeydunc]

24 is the age below which other clubs have to offer a fee for a player even if he is out-of-contract, as opposed to non-contract. At the moment we can refuse to sell if we're not happy with the fee offered. Once the player is out of contract (in Erhun's case at the end of the season) we can't stop him moving and the fee will be decided by a transfer tribunal if necessary. Erhun won't be 24 until after the end of next season.

Doesn't this only apply to players that have been at the club for a "while", as the fee is a compensation for development? I'm not sure we can justifiably say we have developed him as much as his formative years at Charlton and in Turkey.

 

[pompeydunc]

L2 and Conference football can be intensely grim. Watching Darlo and Dulwich between steps 3 and 5 has provided more entertainment than I saw for a very, very long time in the bottom two professional leagues. It's partly because the standard of defending drops quicker than the standard of attacking, I think - there are just far more opportunities for goals and the centre-backs rarely combine size, pace and anticipation.

League two is absolutely dismal. I hate it with a passion...a fearsome passion that has driven me more to the Isthmian league ;-) Pompey's last three results have been 0-0, 0-0....and wait for it 0-0. Grinds you down I tell ya.... Off to Fleetwood on Saturday for another 0-0 though. I'd rather be at Maidstone...but a habit of a lifetime is hard to quit.

 

[Scutta]

What are the plans for Maidstone? I'm still umm-ing and aah-ing about this one - kind of enjoyed the psychological space produced by giving it a miss last weekend, but also reckon I'll be champing at the bit for some football come the end of the week. Looks like a return is just over seventeen quid (based on a trip to Maidstone East going from/ coming back to Peckham Rye) and the journey takes a little over an hour with a change in Bromley, which will give Vornstyle the opportunity to tell his quietly brilliant 'day off school' story.

what time are people looking to go down on Saturday?

 

[Joe K]

what time are people looking to go down on Saturday?

Still can't decide whether or not I'm going. Half tempted to stay in London and get some work done, but I know I'll probably end up regretting it. If I do, the five to twelve from Peckham gets in - via a short change at Bromley South - at 13.02, leaving plenty of time for a few pints. That's probably the one I'd go for.

 

[pettyboy]

what time are people looking to go down on Saturday?

Seeing some family before the game - my bus gets in from Faversham around 1.50. How about you?

I'll get the train back to London after

 

[Scutta]

Still can't decide whether or not I'm going. Half tempted to stay in London and get some work done, but I know I'll probably end up regretting it. If I do, the five to twelve from Peckham gets in - via a short change at Bromley South - at 13.02, leaving plenty of time for a few pints. That's probably the one I'd go for.

yeah that's the train I was looking at...... I think you should go..... they're you go decision made for you.... don't have to worry about it any more

Seeing some family before the game - my bus gets in from Faversham around 1.50. How about you?

I'll get the train back to London after

nice one well I will see you there give us a text when you get to Maidstone.

 

[pettyboy]

Will do Scutta

 

[Champion_hill]

Pretty sure that length of time with a club comes in only if a tribuneral is needed then it would potentially impact on a fee, before that point there is the opportunity for negotiation. I would assume that it would be easier for burnley and us to just to agree a fee which would be peanuts to them but very good for us.

 

[Champion_hill]

League two is absolutely dismal. I hate it with a passion...a fearsome passion that has driven me more to the Isthmian league ;-) Pompey's last three results have been 0-0, 0-0....and wait for it 0-0. Grinds you down I tell ya.... Off to Fleetwood on Saturday for another 0-0 though. I'd rather be at Maidstone...but a habit of a lifetime is hard to quit.

What I really hate about league two is the constant fear of a potential relegation to the conference. The season shrewsbury spent there was bloody horrible.

 

[SDE]

Two new signings - http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/dulwichhamlet/news/two-new-signings-1179228.html

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Two new signings. Tommy Whitnell who's a striker and a keeper on loan, Tim Brown.

 

[pettyboy]

Keeper was born in '97 it seems - scary.

https://twitter.com/timbrown97

 

[Balbi]

A striker. Good grief.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

24 is the age below which other clubs have to offer a fee for a player even if he is out-of-contract, as opposed to non-contract.

This is correct. It comes out of the Bosman ruling. Players can move without a fee when they are out of contract. There is an exception for players under 24 (which is to help youth development and stop good young players being poached for nothing from small clubs) but I'm pretty sure that only holds if the existing club offers the player another contract of the same or greater value. So Dulwich need to offer Erhun another contract if they want to get a fee if he leaves.

I imagine it would be undisclosed - probably £20k-£50k tops plus maybe a friendly. Still, I imagine any money received would go straight into Hadley's pocket, so they can recoup some of the £100k they splashed out to buy the club.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Talking of Hadley, it's all gone silent after that deeply unsatisfactory public meeting. Still so many unanswered questions, such as:

- How are Hadley able to buy the ground when it is an asset of community value? What happened to the six month 'notice' period?
- Do they actually own the ground at this very minute?
- What are their longer-term intentions?
- What is the financial position of the club - are we still losing money?

Anyone know any more?

Although I'm pleased the club still exists, I'm still really sceptical about the future. Has our silence been bought with a fairly vague promise of football at Champion Hill next season?