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The first half stuff came from behind the goal but not from the area of the usual Rabble noisy contingent, sausage rolls were they, I couldn't tell?
I moved away during the second half to find the kids and it was during this the rest happened, all I saw was what looked like an emptied out bin in the six yard box and a load of people moving towards the gate

One thing I will never condone is missile throwing in any standard of football. The players are there to entertain us, not be targets or risk injury.

As for the singing I didn't hear anything I've not heard before at a Met Police game.

On a lighter note, what's the Ricky and Bianca thing with the Met Police goalie?
 
I saw stuff coming from over the fence but not from inside the ground, not to say that didn't happen just what I saw... I heard it was kids...
Yeah, first half was just one bit of roll chucked on the pitch. Second half loads of stuff came over the fence from the car park outside.

Oh yeah and that homophobic comment - fucks sake. Really annoyed I couldn't see who that was. :(
 
I'm not sure about the first batch, but the subsequent salvoes of sausages in the second half were categorically coming from outside the ground as I saw them arc over the wall. Fuck knows who was doing it but I hope to never see it again.
There were about 5 or 6 thrown in the first half.
There is a very real difference between the usual banter/baiting of the opposition and actually throwing stuff on the pitch. You can't say it has been "stoked" - it was non-Hamlet fan wankers who turned up and chucked stuff on the pitch.
There was much more than one thing thrown in the first-half. Maybe you're right and the arrival of these "new fans" is completely unconnected to the singing of songs glorifying a murderer, references to pigs on what can easily be mistaken for the official twitter page, and some of the comments about the police on this forum in general. I genuinely hope that is so. As for banter, there has to be a little bit of humour involved or else it is just abuse.
 
Maybe you're right and the arrival of these "new fans" is completely unconnected to the singing of songs glorifying a murderer, references to pigs on what can easily be mistaken for the official twitter page, and some of the comments about the police on this forum in general. I genuinely hope that is so.
I don't think you can seriously suggest that discussions on here and on Twitter somehow cause people to lose all free will and turn up to football to chuck things on the pitch. I blame the idiots who did this, not the fans on here.

As for banter, there has to be a little bit of humour involved or else it is just abuse.
Totally agree with this.
 
We had this earlier in the season. People lobbing big sticks over the wall at the Greendale end during the Tooting and Mitcham cup game. They stopped after we started yelling though.
 
Shame about the result, once again the problem seemed to be an inability to turn pressure into chances - I don't think we had a shot in the first half. ("The problem with Dulwich is they always try and walk it in!" etc etc)

Really annoying to see stuff thrown on the pitch (not that it makes much difference, but it was raw sausages being thrown on). I was stood right down the front so it came from behind, I didn't see who was throwing them. Glad that someone brought them up on it in the first half, pointing out it'll incur fines, and the fact they carried on in the second I think shows they don't really care about the club. Especially if they left before the end. Hopefully they won't come back.

The atmosphere wasn't great tonight it has to be said, and not just because of the stuff being thrown. The anti-police stuff was shite really. Not because it was offensive but because it was tame and pointless and just a distraction.

Have to disagree with this, actually. I thought the Rabble was in fine form for most of the second half, and what we sang was mostly our usual numbers. The stuff about police I thought was mainly quite funny/in good humour and after some people raised concerns on here last week, it seemed there was a consensus not to sing the Harry Roberts chant*. I thought that was interesting because it shows that people put in effort for it to be an inclusive fanbase, and a real community. So, despite a lot of disappointment last night, I think there are those positives to take away.

Back to football, does anyone know how many penalties we've had this season? We seem to get one every game at Champion Hill. The refs must be intimidated by the level of home support.


*Or, at least, I didn't hear it. But then, I didn't hear the homophobic abuse or see who was throwing sausages, so I'm not exactly a reliable witness.
 
I thought their goalie took it all very well indeed, applauding us at the end and not making a (ahem!) meal out of sausagegate.

Agreed, he even had a bit of a laugh with us at the beginning of the second half, when you would be forgiven for not viewing us in the best light.
 
well, we all have to take responsibility for ensuring that our rather carnivalesque opposition doesn't encourage arseholes to come and fuck things up for us and the club. it sounds like this was taken care of as best we can, words were had, the culprits left and were chased off. this sort of thing should be reported to stewards via known fans though so that the club has an official story if complaints are made. that was the stewards say "what happened was this.... " and the club can respond appropriately whilst we can take credit for policing ourselves. the players, even the opposition, should be the target of nothing more than inventively rude songs and extravagant language. they're doing this for our entertainment after all.

IMO, obv.
 
well, we all have to take responsibility for ensuring that our rather carnivalesque opposition doesn't encourage arseholes to come and fuck things up for us and the club. it sounds like this was taken care of as best we can, words were had, the culprits left and were chased off. this sort of thing should be reported to stewards via known fans though so that the club has an official story if complaints are made. that was the stewards say "what happened was this.... " and the club can respond appropriately whilst we can take credit for policing ourselves. the players, even the opposition, should be the target of nothing more than inventively rude songs and extravagant language. they're doing this for our entertainment after all.

IMO, obv.
I was going to post something along those lines.

I think it's important not to fall into the trap of just saying 'it wasn't Dulwich supporters' or 'it was just kids'. As someone correctly pointed out, this would make no difference to the league. Plus it sounds like a shit slippery get out clause.

The important issue here is, as el-ahrairah says, Dulwich supporters had words and it was made clear that behaviour wasn't acceptable. Even to the point that they were forced to leave the ground to carry on chucking stuff. This is to be applauded.

Sadly sounds like it was premeditated, going by the choice of 'missile'.
 
Erhun has scored 9 in the League - http://www.isthmian.co.uk/statistics.php

We do seem to get a helluva lot at Champion Hill!

I remember a number away from home too. Not least the two he got at East Thurrock and one as part of his superb hat-trick at Enfield.

I think that we get penalties as teams just can't defend against us very effectively. They send in reckless challenges, and Erhun scores.
 
well, we all have to take responsibility for ensuring that our rather carnivalesque opposition doesn't encourage arseholes to come and fuck things up for us and the club. it sounds like this was taken care of as best we can, words were had, the culprits left and were chased off. this sort of thing should be reported to stewards via known fans though so that the club has an official story if complaints are made. that was the stewards say "what happened was this.... " and the club can respond appropriately whilst we can take credit for policing ourselves. the players, even the opposition, should be the target of nothing more than inventively rude songs and extravagant language. they're doing this for our entertainment after all.

IMO, obv.


Agreed. Effectively they were warned, asked to leave and then it was ensured that they had left the vicinity of the stadium. Whilst this was all conducted through supporters as opposed to stewards, I am not sure that their response would have been dissimilar. I am sure that several of us would be happy to talk to stewards if needed for any official response. Certainly we need to make sure that stewards are aware if these people try to attend another game.
 
The important issue here is, as el-ahrairah says, Dulwich supporters had words and it was made clear that behaviour wasn't acceptable.

Ditto with any other comments that we do not welcome at the ground. I didn't hear the aforementioned homophobic slur, I do hope someone spoke up. If anything like this is heard again, a loud response is needed to make homophobes feel unwelcome, instead of gay people feeling so.
 
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Erhun has scored 9 in the League - http://www.isthmian.co.uk/statistics.php

We do seem to get a helluva lot at Champion Hill!
I think that's 17 in all competitions home and away now, and we haven't missed one yet. Daly, Gonnella, Green and Henry-Francis have all successfully converted one when Erhun hasn't been on the field.

That disallowed goal right on half time was scandalous. I was at the back of the stand at that end at the time and Green was clearly 2 or 3 yards onside when Erhun struck the pass for him, the defender was caught flatfooted and Ellis just surged past him. We've had that linesman countless times for many years now and he's always seemed competent enough. He must have been daydreaming. It wasn't even close.

I was only behind the goal for the second half (towards the side nearest the turnstiles) and noticed one item (probably a raw sausage judging from earlier descriptions) lobbed onto the pitch from the opposite side of the goal, but couldn't see who was responsible. Then later in the half there was a whole volley of stuff hurled over the wall from the carpark and into the goalmouth. The keeper tossed several items into touch, and whilst none of them looked likely to be dangerous we certainly don't need it. A couple of supporters went outside and chased off the offenders, but it may need official stewards behind the goal. Considering the size our crowds now we must have the most low key stewarding in the league.

I didn't think there was anything wrong with the general atmosphere, but it was a bit disappointing that when the singing started to crank up early in the second half as we really battered the visitors a minority of people near the back seemed determined to dilute the regular chants by shouting anti-Police stuff at the same time. I'm not particularly offended by it, it just seems a bit of an insult to our own players when they're doing their best to turn it around on the field to waste energy hurling politically motivated vitriol at the opposition instead of getting behind our own team. Obviously there's always room for a bit of selected barracking of players who commit bad fouls, make cimical errors, or indulge in blatant cheating etc., and the "Let's Kick Police Out of Football" flag was very funny, but I'd like to think the main focus will be on getting behind our own team, because when we do it sounds and feels a bit special these days. I've waited decades for us to have this sort of support, and it's the newer and younger supporters who have really made the difference. Gavin Rose has frequently praised our vocal support and encouragement for the team and told everyone it does make a positive difference.

Most of their players aren't even Police officers anyway, they're just regular semi-pro players the same as ours. The manager is a Police Sergeant, and his assistants are coppers too I believe, and maybe two or three of the players. It's a very odd arrangement. Personally I wouldn't want to play for a works team I didn't work for, whether it's Met Police, Civil Service, Rayal Engineers, Nat West Bank, London Fire Brigate or anyone else. They're effectively funded by 30,000 sports & social club members who never turn up to watch them and probably don't even realise they're funding a team of semi-pro players in many cases. I believe when new players sign registration forms they're given an application pack to join the Plod, and a small number of officers have been recruited in this way. So at best the team is a marketing and recruitment tool. Personally if I was a serving officer I think I'd feel the profits from the Police Lottery ought to be spent on more generous prize money rather than a semi-pro football team for outsiders.
 
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I think that we get penalties as teams just can't defend against us very effectively. They send in reckless challenges, and Erhun scores.

Yes. Lots of quick runners from wide/midfield (well not so much in the last couple of games unfortunately). When we get it right it's hard to defend for teams at this level.
 
We turned up for fifteen minutes each half, were against a side who harried us and wanted the second ball more than us, they stuck men on Xav to stop him pulling strings and our wingers spent a lot of the game forgetting how to wing.

We were heavily reliant on Pete stepping up from the back to start anything, as their man marking wouldn't follow him. The plod were fit, they were chasing down everything. And, in all fairness, when we pulled one back they went on a whole series of time wasting tactics that wouldn't draw a yellow card. Ball down in the corner, knocking it around their half, exactly what we'd do in the situation.

Their 2 had a torrid time of it, and then as soon as he was out of the frame, we kept cutting inside and shooting with men waiting. It got predictable in the end, which was a shame.

Cops had some quality dead ball in, and were Hamletesque in switching the play from wing to wing. Their goals came from that left to right switch, followed by a punt to the far post chased in by their forwards.

We looked flat, and got beat. I was actually annoyed at how we played, but then again our form is a few wins and a few losses at the minute. Bring on Bognor.
 
Having read through the bits on here from last night I will ensure this is raised and acted upon by the club. Our support has been and is excellent and is the envy of many a club. What we dont need is a mindless action spoiling it for the majority. As well as self policing please bring it to the attention of the matchday stewards as it may have gone unnoticed and this is what they are here for!
 
Photos from the Lewes game are up.

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A few random thoughts from me:

1) Being at the "12th man end" for the whole game I get a slightly different perspective to most people, and sadly last night that revolved around Tyrone Pink who scored both of their goals. For the first one, he ran over to the corner flag and gave it a Premier League prima-donna style "shhhhh" celebration. Ridiculous given there were only 4 Met Police fans and about 6 of us at the 12th Man stand, so I'm not sure who exactly he was shushing. The second goal was even worse, he ran over again and decided to punch the corner flag as part of his OTT celebration. He instantly became my least favourite player in non league football!

2) The tweet from @DulwichHamletFC was probably unnecessary, but remember this is NOT an official club Twitter account. It is run by fans and has been for a number of years, and for a long time was the only source of reliable matchday information. Nobody connected to the club runs any kind of Twitter service apart from the account which links to the FWP information service (and this tweets purely facts, e.g. goalscorer, attendance, etc).

3) As much as I dislike stewards, I agree that our level of stewarding probably isn't sufficient for 500+ crowds, so it's really important we do "self-police" as much as possible. Great to see some of the comments above regarding how the troublemakers were dealt with last night.

4) Did anybody notice the new turnstile policy last night, in which season ticket holders were being asked to go up the steps and enter the ground via the main stand? While it's nice to have that option, who on earth decided it would become mandatory? There was one poor guy on crutches being told he had to trek up the steps! Another guy kicked off because "i've been coming through the turnstile for 45 years"!! Very strange policy and I hope it gets disbanded quickly.
 
A few random thoughts from me:

1) Being at the "12th man end" for the whole game I get a slightly different perspective to most people, and sadly last night that revolved around Tyrone Pink who scored both of their goals. For the first one, he ran over to the corner flag and gave it a Premier League prima-donna style "shhhhh" celebration. Ridiculous given there were only 4 Met Police fans and about 6 of us at the 12th Man stand, so I'm not sure who exactly he was shushing. The second goal was even worse, he ran over again and decided to punch the corner flag as part of his OTT celebration. He instantly became my least favourite player in non league football!

4) Did anybody notice the new turnstile policy last night, in which season ticket holders were being asked to go up the steps and enter the ground via the main stand? While it's nice to have that option, who on earth decided it would become mandatory? There was one poor guy on crutches being told he had to trek up the steps! Another guy kicked off because "i've been coming through the turnstile for 45 years"!! Very strange policy and I hope it gets disbanded quickly.

Well, from 70 yards away you could have heard a pin drop when Pink scored his first goal as there was absolutely no audible cheering whatsoever, so perhaps it was appropriate. No danger of any Hamlet player using that celebration as there would be at least 100 away fans going mental. For the second goal the only sound was from a very excitable woman in the directors box who sounded like she was using a rampant rabbit.

As for the turnstile policy, it's ridiculous. By all means give season ticket holder the option of using the clubhouse entrance, but yesterday, after being turned away from the turnstile, I had to go up the stairs, through the clubhouse entrance, down the stairs from the top of the stand while other people were truing to get up in the opposite direction, and along to just inside to turnstiles to buy my programme. Utterly pointless.

Anyway, now the carwash appears to have been closed down perhaps we can reclaim the easy access entrance in the turnstile block (commandeered a few years ago for carwash related clutter) and use that for season ticket holders, people with bicycles, push chairs and other bulky paraphernalia?
 
I think the stewards at Champion Hill are excellent. Bloke who wears the City scarf has always been friendly.

Agree we could use a few more though, with growing crowds etc.
 
Some general thoughts from last night…..similar to what a lot has already been said….

Hangover from Lewes… but results have been lucky enough to go our way…. And we have to expect a bad patch at some point… but hopefully this will be the end of it (fingers crossed) and we can do Bognor this weekend - and get some revenge for the result earlier in the season...

Anti Police chants – well we all have banter with every team I would be surprised if no one came out with anything mentioning they were police…that would have been weird……. As Yorick said it was good to see people to take note on here what was discussed last time and not take it too far with the “glorification of murderers etc” I think overall it wasn’t too much to get worried about and it was in good humour…. But as Pink Panther said it’s better to focus the chants on our team not theirs……. ALTHOUGH be careful what you wish for as I think another team who has that attitude is St Pauli…. And I thought no one wanted that here!!!!! :p

BUT What was not acceptable is lobbing things on the pitch I didn’t see who did but they were chucked out as other people said… I tried to go round when they were coming over the wall but they were gone by the time I made it round….. hopefully wont see them again…. I imagine they would be too embarrassed to come again….I also have to agree with Brixton Hatter on this one I cant see how this was stoked from here or twitter…people have different veiws and experience of the police a lot being bad ....some possibly being good which has been discussed on here and down the pub and probably in all walks of life!!!… this was not getting too over excited and singing the wrong things these guys were prats end of. Doesn’t matter if they were kids, regulars or not they were just prats and obviously dont care about the club....or are sensible enough to realise the repercussions for the club.

Although I am surprised that people are more worried about a few anti police chants than the homophobia… it was from someone I’ve seen behind the goal a few times at home matches…..just need to keep an eye out and self-regulate that same as above………but hopefully it was a one off....

all in all I was still just happy to be there and watch Dulwich with a few old mates and new.....now just cant wait to till the weekend!
 
It was Hamlet fans throwing stuff at the goalkeeper. When Met Police complained to the ref some of our supporters started to pretend that it was being thrown from outside of the ground. Not our finest hour.
Maybe the goalie was hungry and wanted a sausage roll?
 
Although I am surprised that people are more worried about a few anti police chants than the homophobia… it was from someone I’ve seen behind the goal a few times at home matches…..just need to keep an eye out and self-regulate that same as above………but hopefully it was a one off....

Couldn't agree more. I am deeply uneasy about any homophobic elements creeping their way into the Rabble.
 
We had this earlier in the season. People lobbing big sticks over the wall at the Greendale end during the Tooting and Mitcham cup game. They stopped after we started yelling though.

there was used nappy lobbed over the Greendale end last season just missed me and a few people by inches.....yuk!
 
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