Stuart Fordyce
Well-Known Member
Don't hold back eh? I know Mr White annoys a lot of folk but some sound points in there. Be interesting to know what, if any, plans the leagues have for restarting after the summer.
Dulwich Hamlet and Coronavirus
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Pink Panther
Well-Known Member
Can't think why the FA didn't find this acceptable:
"In summary, with good strategical leadership the league could have comfortably created scenarios that protected all their members clubs. It was crucial to protect both those clubs that could not continue, and those that also could."
The only way to achieve this was not to start the season without supporters in the first place. Clubs with big sponsorship deals could have rolled them over to next season and those who rely on big matchday takings wouldn't have had to muddle along without their main source of income.
Right from the start I felt it was totally misguided for the league to source funding from the National Lottery. That £10m sum has now been wasted when it should have been spent on improving sports facilities or assisting aspiring athletes with funding for coaching and training camps etc.
The final paragraph is as follows:
"In summary, with good strategical leadership the league could have comfortably created scenarios that protected all their members clubs. It was crucial to protect both those clubs that could not continue, and those that also could."
The only way to achieve this was not to start the season without supporters in the first place. Clubs with big sponsorship deals could have rolled them over to next season and those who rely on big matchday takings wouldn't have had to muddle along without their main source of income.
Right from the start I felt it was totally misguided for the league to source funding from the National Lottery. That £10m sum has now been wasted when it should have been spent on improving sports facilities or assisting aspiring athletes with funding for coaching and training camps etc.
Paula_G
Flitting in & out like Tinkerbell on Meth
Received the following email today from the FA in regards the restarting of grassroots football from 29th March though it should noticed that spectators (except in regards safeguarding at youth football) will not be allowed so guessing Non-League football where fans pay admission is unlikely to restart yet. Then again it’s going to be interesting to see police cracking down on park games with “too many” people watching...
Update on the return of Grassroots football from 29th March 2021
Dear Paula,
As part of the next stage of the Government’s roadmap out of national lockdown, outdoor sports facilities can open, and organised outdoor sport can take place. This means that from Monday 29th March, organised outdoor football, following all FA and government protocols, can take place. Organised outdoor disability football can currently take place, including under national lockdown.
The aim of this note is to share with you what we currently know about what the return to football at the end of March will look like to help your planning. This is based on our conversations with the Government to date and information published on Gov.uk. Please note that our full guidance will be published as soon as we receive the DCMS guidance. We expect that this will be early in the week commencing Monday 22nd March. Please note that we will need to regularly update our FA guidance as we move through the different steps of the Government’s roadmap.
This note applies to all youth and adult grassroots football and futsal, including all formats of the game. Information for clubs with teams who compete in the men’s National League System and the Women’s Football Pyramid (Tiers 3 to 6) will be communicated separately. All government guidance on hygiene and social-distancing measures must be followed.
Tiers
The tiered system has now been removed and the Government’s approach moving forward, will be a national approach.
Travel
The Government guidance on travel is that the ‘stay at home’ rule will end on Monday 29 March, but many restrictions will remain in place. As organised sport can resume, all participants may travel to games but should avoid travel at the busiest times and routes, as well as minimising any unnecessary journeys where possible. All participants must follow the Government’s guidance on safer travel, which we expect will be updated shortly.
Changing rooms
Changing rooms cannot be used as part of step one in the roadmap out of lockdown and must remain shut. Changing facilities can only be used in emergency situations, or by disabled people who are taking part in organised sport and physical activity. We are working with the Government on what this will look like through each step of restrictions being lifted. We will update our guidance as soon as we have any further information. Toilets will be allowed to open, 30 minutes before and 30 minutes after training and/or matches.
Spectators
No spectators are allowed at grassroots football as part of step one of the Government’s roadmap, unless for safeguarding purposes which should be limited to one parent or carer per child
Indoor football
Indoor sport is not currently allowed. This is planned to return no earlier than Monday 17th May, as part of step three of the Government’s roadmap. Currently, no indoor football or futsal can be played apart from disability football, which can take place indoors from the 29th March.
Safeguarding and First Aid
Before re-starting play, all clubs must carry out a risk assessment and record the procedures and checks put in place. It is essential that everyone is clear about the restrictions and works together to manage social distancing, strict hand hygiene and all other protocols in our detailed guidance. Clubs should also update their medical emergency action plan around player care and strictly follow the first- aid guidance document which will be updated and published on TheFA.com, alongside our guidance
We would like to thank you for your hard work and resilience during this challenging period, and look forward to continuing to work with you to bring the game back safely.
Update on the return of Grassroots football from 29th March 2021
Dear Paula,
As part of the next stage of the Government’s roadmap out of national lockdown, outdoor sports facilities can open, and organised outdoor sport can take place. This means that from Monday 29th March, organised outdoor football, following all FA and government protocols, can take place. Organised outdoor disability football can currently take place, including under national lockdown.
The aim of this note is to share with you what we currently know about what the return to football at the end of March will look like to help your planning. This is based on our conversations with the Government to date and information published on Gov.uk. Please note that our full guidance will be published as soon as we receive the DCMS guidance. We expect that this will be early in the week commencing Monday 22nd March. Please note that we will need to regularly update our FA guidance as we move through the different steps of the Government’s roadmap.
This note applies to all youth and adult grassroots football and futsal, including all formats of the game. Information for clubs with teams who compete in the men’s National League System and the Women’s Football Pyramid (Tiers 3 to 6) will be communicated separately. All government guidance on hygiene and social-distancing measures must be followed.
Tiers
The tiered system has now been removed and the Government’s approach moving forward, will be a national approach.
Travel
The Government guidance on travel is that the ‘stay at home’ rule will end on Monday 29 March, but many restrictions will remain in place. As organised sport can resume, all participants may travel to games but should avoid travel at the busiest times and routes, as well as minimising any unnecessary journeys where possible. All participants must follow the Government’s guidance on safer travel, which we expect will be updated shortly.
Changing rooms
Changing rooms cannot be used as part of step one in the roadmap out of lockdown and must remain shut. Changing facilities can only be used in emergency situations, or by disabled people who are taking part in organised sport and physical activity. We are working with the Government on what this will look like through each step of restrictions being lifted. We will update our guidance as soon as we have any further information. Toilets will be allowed to open, 30 minutes before and 30 minutes after training and/or matches.
Spectators
No spectators are allowed at grassroots football as part of step one of the Government’s roadmap, unless for safeguarding purposes which should be limited to one parent or carer per child
Indoor football
Indoor sport is not currently allowed. This is planned to return no earlier than Monday 17th May, as part of step three of the Government’s roadmap. Currently, no indoor football or futsal can be played apart from disability football, which can take place indoors from the 29th March.
Safeguarding and First Aid
Before re-starting play, all clubs must carry out a risk assessment and record the procedures and checks put in place. It is essential that everyone is clear about the restrictions and works together to manage social distancing, strict hand hygiene and all other protocols in our detailed guidance. Clubs should also update their medical emergency action plan around player care and strictly follow the first- aid guidance document which will be updated and published on TheFA.com, alongside our guidance
We would like to thank you for your hard work and resilience during this challenging period, and look forward to continuing to work with you to bring the game back safely.
PartisanDulwich
Well-Known Member
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
The Royal Highland Agricultural Show is credited with generating £50m + for the local area in a normal year. I can see why they are being supported in an attempt to get them through to 2022 and hopefully something approaching normality.
The bigger picture is that agricultural shows are often struggling in the UK. There are exceptions but quite a few are in obvious decline. Near to where I live the Alton Show ceased three or so years ago, after a couple of hundred years plus. As in so many parts of life we seem to be moving to the "super shows" surviving and the smaller local shows just about hanging on in there or failing. This grant is part of this process. Many smaller fairs will get little / nothing and I fear a fair few will never be held again.
I won't name it but I strongly suspect Covid will be the end of a very historic agricultural fair held not far from me. If so, it'll be a loss to the local pig community as it is one of the few around here to show pigs and was important in generating the interest required to save the likes of the Berkshire pig. The breed remains endangered with just 2-300 breeding sows registered in the UK, making it much rarer than the Giant Panda.
The bigger picture is that agricultural shows are often struggling in the UK. There are exceptions but quite a few are in obvious decline. Near to where I live the Alton Show ceased three or so years ago, after a couple of hundred years plus. As in so many parts of life we seem to be moving to the "super shows" surviving and the smaller local shows just about hanging on in there or failing. This grant is part of this process. Many smaller fairs will get little / nothing and I fear a fair few will never be held again.
I won't name it but I strongly suspect Covid will be the end of a very historic agricultural fair held not far from me. If so, it'll be a loss to the local pig community as it is one of the few around here to show pigs and was important in generating the interest required to save the likes of the Berkshire pig. The breed remains endangered with just 2-300 breeding sows registered in the UK, making it much rarer than the Giant Panda.
How can you have a 'show' that is behind closed doors? What are you showing and to whom?
Nivag
Well-Known Member
I reckon there's a betting syndicate that's forcing the show to happen..
T Corcoran
Well-Known Member
The club have been fined 8k and a suspended 8 point deduction for not completing games when we had no funding
JoeBoy1959
Well-Known Member
The league are proper arseholes
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
For a league that was called off. That's really special.
editor
hiraethified
Fucking madness:
www.brixtonbuzz.com
And Dover have been pretty much crushed:
Anger and exasperation as Dulwich Hamlet fined £8,000 for failing to fulfil fixtures during Covid pandemic
There’s shock and anger amongst fans and club officials today after the National League handed down a huge fine to Dulwich Hamlet FC. The club has stated that they have been fined £8,000 and …
www.brixtonbuzz.com
And Dover have been pretty much crushed:
Dover Athletic fined £40,000, 2020/21 record expunged and 12-point deduction for next season as 18 clubs charged for breaking National League rules - The Non-League Football Paper
An Independent Panel, commissioned by The National League, met to hear the cases of 18 Member Clubs charged with alleged breaches of League Rules
www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com
I guess someone needs to provide funds to allow then to pay the legal costs they will incur to sort this mess out.
Cat Daisy
Well-Known Member
Perhaps they could use it to pay for a minute-taker at their meetings with DCMS?
scousedom
Well-Known Member
Here’s a thought. Why not get together with all the other clubs fined, add up the total, collectively crowdfund with a target of double that total, and once that is reached publicly call out the League saying “You can have your fine, or we can give all of this to NHS Charities Together”.
I appreciate this isn't the biggest issue just now but to explain as I was off line previously.
They will show animals. Most animals can be reasonably judged online - sheep are the main eception.
The reason this is important is winning a big show such as the Highland makes the bull or offspring of the winner worth more for breeding.. This is especially important if a male wins. Inbreeding becomes a massive issue as breed numbers decline New male bloodlines can be the difference between extinction and survival for a breed.
For various reasons, relating to animal movement rules, Covid rules and Covids financial impact there is real concern in preservation circles about what is happening.
Keeping the key shows alive may be the difference between survival and extinction for some breeds, Whether saving them is a price worth paying is a judgement call.
I'd also suggest this money is a government decision to try and boost the pro union vote in Scotland. The show is critical to the future of some Scottish breeds.
Edited to say, for the sake of £750k now they don't want to face accusations of costing the region £50 - 60m p.a. moving forwards.
Ultimately its all politics. Just as it was when DCMS decided further grants to the Conference were too toxic to deliver due to the Conference being erm the Conference.
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Thank you for that explanation.
Dover have told the league they won't pay and are busy talking to lawyers.
So we have a club run by an ex League Board member threatening legal action against the League Bioard. Simultaneously Maidstone have dropped hints they may take action against the very same club owner for his actions whilst on the league board. File under you couldn't make it up.
The National League Board, the gift that just keeps on giving.
So we have a club run by an ex League Board member threatening legal action against the League Bioard. Simultaneously Maidstone have dropped hints they may take action against the very same club owner for his actions whilst on the league board. File under you couldn't make it up.
The National League Board, the gift that just keeps on giving.
Stuart Fordyce
Well-Known Member
Good for Dover. We shouldn't either.
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
If we do pay then it's a stain on the club tbf. The principle of the thing is what's important now
Pink Panther
Well-Known Member
I'm sure we won't just pay up without a fight but ultimately we'll have little choice if we can't get it cancelled through official or legal appeals procedures. Eventually the National League won't let us play and the FA would block us from joining another league with outstanding unpaid fines.
