Dulwich Hamlet and Coronavirus
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Pink Panther
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A couple of Eastbourne Borough supporters are throwing tantrums on the National North and South Facebook page. I hope it was one ofthem who contacted the Metropolitan Police to complain about us having a crowd in for the one match when we were allowed supporters.
Pink Panther
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The season should never have started behind closed doors in the first place. I think the clubs who pushed for this to happen have treated their own supporters with contempt. What is the actual point in playing all these matches that loyal supporters are not allowed to attend? It's not the Premier League with a massive global audience following from afar, with a huge commercial appeal. The club owners who pushed for this to happen have been completely delusional. I can only assume they don't really care whether or not their supporters turn up when the gates reopen.
Seems to me there's plenty of corruption in this league; just not where those guys think it is.
Pink Panther
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More like Glenn Toupée. I think that's why he always wears that cap.
tonysingh
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I feel like you should be the last person to mock someone else's barnet, or lack thereof.
Pink Panther
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He's got a barnet alright, I'm just not entirely sure whose it is.I feel like you should be the last person to mock someone else's barnet, or lack thereof.
Pink Panther
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blueheaven
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I can't help but wonder how much money has been wasted across the two divisions in needlessly starting a season that couldn't be finished.
Interestingly Marc White is saying the league did not deliver the promised Covid testing kits to tier two. He believes this was due to them not wanting to spend money given the likely abandonment shortly afterwards.
Given Gateshead specifically cited not wanting to spend money travelling etc when the season was likely to be abandoned as their reason for not fulfilling a fixture, the result of their charge could be interesting l.
Given Gateshead specifically cited not wanting to spend money travelling etc when the season was likely to be abandoned as their reason for not fulfilling a fixture, the result of their charge could be interesting l.
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hiraethified
It's all getting a bit tacky, isn't it?
Pink Panther
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Yet again White displays a staggering lack of insight, completely missing the point that many other clubs can't fund several more months of playing behind closed doors regardless of whether or not regular testing for players is in place. It's all about Marc White FC every time. (Has anyone noticed that we never seem to hear from anyone else within the club? His name and Dorking Wanderers appear to be totally synonymous.)
I understand this is the legal firm they are consulting. They were the club's main shirt sponsor for several years. I wonder whether this means the club is funded by Bitcoin trading?
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To be fair to Marc, that's not the point he was making. Someone asked whether it was true the testing had not been received. He confirmed it was, from memory he added he saw this as the league viewing tier 2 as irrelevant.
The Dorking campaign seems to be for clubs to be given a choice of whether or not to play on, with promotion available to those who play on, and no recriminations for those who sit the rest of the season out.
In the Q&A he specifically acknowledged not all clubs can afford to play on.
I'm not his biggest fan over recent events but it's only fair to ensure his views are recorded correctly.
The Dorking campaign seems to be for clubs to be given a choice of whether or not to play on, with promotion available to those who play on, and no recriminations for those who sit the rest of the season out.
In the Q&A he specifically acknowledged not all clubs can afford to play on.
I'm not his biggest fan over recent events but it's only fair to ensure his views are recorded correctly.
I have the feeling that some clubs' problems are only just beginning! I can't see the null and void being overturned for N&S but the 7 NL sides that voted that way will now have to play the rest of the season - whenever that might end, if ever - or face more charges from the NL board. I sincerely hope the 7 clubs band together and all refuse to play as I don't think the NL will relegate all 7!! However, I expect some will change their minds in a bid to avoid sanctions, which will increase the pressure on the remaining dissenters. I'd hate to see any clubs go to the wall as a result of the NL playing on, but I fear some will.
With regard to Dorking, I just don't understand why Marc White is saying that they'll need to make redundancies as a result of the null and void. Surely, if they could afford to play on with no funding - and with higher costs - they can afford to keep the backroom staff if they use the furlough system sensibly?
With regard to Dorking, I just don't understand why Marc White is saying that they'll need to make redundancies as a result of the null and void. Surely, if they could afford to play on with no funding - and with higher costs - they can afford to keep the backroom staff if they use the furlough system sensibly?
Marc does make some sensible points and I genuinely think he doesn't want other clubs to suffer. However, his unbridled ambition tends to give him massive 'blind spots'. He sees the null and void as 'catastrophic' as it spoils Dorking's chance of promotion and he tends to catastrophise anything that stunts his ambition. The only really catastrophic thing here would be senior non-league clubs with over 100 years of history going out of existence. Marc needs to take a step back and get bit of perspective.
StephenMac
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Absolutely right. Much of what he's said makes sense but he's thrown a few hand grenades as well and only belatedly seems to have realised that other clubs can see his many broadcasts to the nation. He's had all the sympathy he deserves but ultimately he's a spoilt brat whose tantrums have worn very thin.
He seemed fond of saying "It is what it is" about both the grant shambles and the league restarting without any funding. Well, NLS is null and void, Marc, and it is what it is.
StephenMac
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White will say whatever he feels the need to say. Not sure he sees truthfulness as a significant criteria.
King's Lynn are playing two more games and then giving up if funding isn't sorted.
www.edp24.co.uk
Edited to say that whilst the club's opinion may well be the same as cited above,the formal statement is less clear cut.
'Two more games and then we close' - Linnets owner
King’s Lynn Town look set to lock the gates at The Walks after next week’s two home matches.
Edited to say that whilst the club's opinion may well be the same as cited above,the formal statement is less clear cut.
Club statement - King's Lynn Town FC
The club has the following update for it’s supporters following last evening’s announcement from the National League that the season is to continue after a majority of clubs voted against a proposal to end the season in light of the ongoing consequences caused by the Coronavirus Pandemic. We are...
www.kltown.co.uk
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sleaterkinney
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We are where we are.
His argument seems to be that they will have to refund sponsors or offer them reductions for 21/22. He states the latter will leave a hole in the 21/22 budget. He doesn't really comment on the former but the suspicion must be they have already spent a lot of that money and don't fancy refunding it.
There may also be issues with league distributions as I guess BT Sport will either want a free extension or money back. The likes of Vanarama will probably feel the same.
Whilst I agree it's likely to be a lot cheaper for most teams to furlough and take these hits, stopping will also incur both direct and indirect costs.
If Dorking really do raise £700k per season from sponsors, as I seem to remember being cited on this forum, the potential for trouble if they have to part refund or offer reduced rates next season is clear. That would probably make them a pretty unique case and I would have a bit of sympathy. Clubs shouldn't be punished financially for having big gates, as we were. Equally they shouldn't be punished for having a commercial set up that seems to leave the rest of the division standing
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hiraethified
"Boutique litigation firm"Yet again White displays a staggering lack of insight, completely missing the point that many other clubs can't fund several more months of playing behind closed doors regardless of whether or not regular testing for players is in place. It's all about Marc White FC every time. (Has anyone noticed that we never seem to hear from anyone else within the club? His name and Dorking Wanderers appear to be totally synonymous.)
I understand this is the legal firm they are consulting. They were the club's main shirt sponsor for several years. I wonder whether this means the club is funded by Bitcoin trading?
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PartisanDulwich
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A minor point ....but
"Marc White is saying the league did not deliver the promised Covid testing kits to tier two. He believes this was due to them not wanting to spend money given the likely abandonment shortly afterwards."
The Lateral Flow Tests have been condemn and abandoned by anyone with any knowledge - the BMJ pointed out that Lateral flow tests missed over half of cases - imagine the impact that would have had on players and potential dangers to them and their families
And just for historical accuracy - The Germans did invade the British Isles during WW2 - the Channel Islands and they don't speak German (That said the small but brave Jersey Resistance movement was made up of the local trade union branch and other progressives)
"Marc White is saying the league did not deliver the promised Covid testing kits to tier two. He believes this was due to them not wanting to spend money given the likely abandonment shortly afterwards."
The Lateral Flow Tests have been condemn and abandoned by anyone with any knowledge - the BMJ pointed out that Lateral flow tests missed over half of cases - imagine the impact that would have had on players and potential dangers to them and their families
And just for historical accuracy - The Germans did invade the British Isles during WW2 - the Channel Islands and they don't speak German (That said the small but brave Jersey Resistance movement was made up of the local trade union branch and other progressives)
KentyinWeardale
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Whilst I agree lateral flow tests are sub-optimal, I know someone in a caring role tested three times a week that way (Or at least was until very recently and I believe still is.)
The logic is/was that's the best weapon available to them and, whilst it will miss positive cases, it will also catch some and that's better than not testing. I suspect the league worked on similar logic.
The logic is/was that's the best weapon available to them and, whilst it will miss positive cases, it will also catch some and that's better than not testing. I suspect the league worked on similar logic.
Pink Panther
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Frankly I don't have any sympathy for that argument, or those clubs. The season should never have started behind closed doors, then they could have just rolled their sponsorship deals over to next season. If we're going to accept that, we're accepting that big money owners and sponsors, too impatient to wait another season to challenge for promotion, are going to call the shots. What about supporters? I was bloody furious that matches were being played that I wasn't allowed to attend. Supporters were treated with contempt by the likes of White and it must not be allowed to happen again. It started last season with deciding final positions on points per game, followed by the play-offs behind closed doors. Last season should have been null and void and this season should never have started. Otherwise it's just fantasy football for the wealthy minority.
This league is a rich man's plaything. According to Keiran Maguire only 16 Conference teams returned a profit last year. Many lost over a million, substantial numbers lost six figures. Dorking declared a break even position.
It always has been thus. I first watched the Conference in 1979 (Telford and Stafford.) Back then it was the likes of Altrincham, Noel White and Peter Swales both spent time there.
Marc is doing what he believes is right for Dorking, quite rightly. That's what we expected Ben etc to do for Hamlet
I believe Marc is fast turning into a 'useful idiot' the truly guilty will hide behind.
The FA- non League should not have started this year without agreed positions, if we abandon with x% or fewer games played we do Y etc
The League Board. See above plus the failure to confirm funding post December. Also Marc asked for elite status, it was the Board who pushed for it. Marc asked for the season to start, it was the board who ordered it. It was the board who stuffed the funding formula up and made post December funding politically toxic. It is the board who preside over a ludicrously weighted voting system.
The ditector loan clubs - the people investing in Dorking, if this £700k is true, seemingly do so by writing off money. Fine, no problems. Hamlet did the same whilst in exile,albeit shares not advertising. Another club in the league currently wanting to play on appear to have confirmed a director loan if £300k last year. How big will the loan be this year? What happens if it ever gets called in? I far prefer the Dorking method yet no-one is calling out this club.
My sympathy will start to vanish if they do take legal action.
If / when steps 3-6 are cancelled next week I would have no issue in those who want to play on doing so in a mini league. Doing so would create vacancies at tier two next season. Dover and King's Lynn could well be thrown out of the league as it stands and potentially end up on tier five. Let those who want to play on and create tier two vacancies to help tier one clubs who can't play on.
It always has been thus. I first watched the Conference in 1979 (Telford and Stafford.) Back then it was the likes of Altrincham, Noel White and Peter Swales both spent time there.
Marc is doing what he believes is right for Dorking, quite rightly. That's what we expected Ben etc to do for Hamlet
I believe Marc is fast turning into a 'useful idiot' the truly guilty will hide behind.
The FA- non League should not have started this year without agreed positions, if we abandon with x% or fewer games played we do Y etc
The League Board. See above plus the failure to confirm funding post December. Also Marc asked for elite status, it was the Board who pushed for it. Marc asked for the season to start, it was the board who ordered it. It was the board who stuffed the funding formula up and made post December funding politically toxic. It is the board who preside over a ludicrously weighted voting system.
The ditector loan clubs - the people investing in Dorking, if this £700k is true, seemingly do so by writing off money. Fine, no problems. Hamlet did the same whilst in exile,albeit shares not advertising. Another club in the league currently wanting to play on appear to have confirmed a director loan if £300k last year. How big will the loan be this year? What happens if it ever gets called in? I far prefer the Dorking method yet no-one is calling out this club.
My sympathy will start to vanish if they do take legal action.
If / when steps 3-6 are cancelled next week I would have no issue in those who want to play on doing so in a mini league. Doing so would create vacancies at tier two next season. Dover and King's Lynn could well be thrown out of the league as it stands and potentially end up on tier five. Let those who want to play on and create tier two vacancies to help tier one clubs who can't play on.
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