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scousedom said:
Season over.
Or perhaps not.
Either way a tweet was deleted.
www.theguardian.com

Confusion in non-league as deleted tweets say FA has ended season

The Football Association has told clubs at tiers five and six of the pyramid that their season ‘must end immediately’ due to the coronavirus outbreak, according to tweets the Essex Senior League then deleted
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It was only referring to the county leagues anyway. Sloppy journalism to illustrate the article with a bloody great National League logo, it's not really anything to do with our level. Sounds like a few people at individual clubs have jumped the gun.

From what I gather reading a few things elsewhere, the Premier and Football Leagues are determined to find a way of completing the season eventually, the leagues below us all think it's best just to write off the season with no promotion or relegation, our league probably wants to find a way of getting at least one club promoted to the Football League.
 
Pink Panther said:
It was only referring to the county leagues anyway. Sloppy journalism to illustrate the article with a bloody great National League logo, it's not really anything to do with our level. Sounds like a few people at individual clubs have jumped the gun.

From what I gather reading a few things elsewhere, the Premier and Football Leagues are determined to find a way of completing the season eventually, the leagues below us all think it's best just to write off the season with no promotion or relegation, our league probably wants to find a way of getting at least one club promoted to the Football League.
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I actually think it’s quite refreshing the way the football bodies aren’t rushing to impose timetables. They seem to recognise they have time to think and get things right. I wonder if, given the Qatar World Cup coming up in end 2022, and the fixture mayhem that would cause in a normal season schedule, we won’t end up with this season played to a conclusion whenever it can be, and then calendar year seasons in 2021 and 2022.
 
www.standard.co.uk

National League likely to void season

EXCLUSIVE
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The National League is preparing to shutdown the season by cancelling all remaining fixtures in a move which could set a significant precedent for professional football.

The decision, which could be made this week, would have a knock-on effect for the EFL and Premier League, who have said they are committed to completing the campaign.

The top two tiers of England's non-league system are currently suspended until April 3, but the National League is reluctant to follow the professional game in extending the postponement, with clubs fearing for their futures and eager for certainty.
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They need to cancel the leagues now. There's no fucking way this will all blow over in a month or two, and playing behind closed doors is financial suicide for clubs who are already struggling, neither can they honour player contracts indefinitely while this drags on.
 
editor said:
They need to cancel the leagues now. There's no fucking way this will all blow over in a month or two, and playing behind closed doors is financial suicide for clubs who are already struggling, neither can they honour player contracts indefinitely while this drags on.
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I don't think anyone is syggesting that as a solution at this level, that's a Premier League thing as far as I can tell where millions can still be made from television and advertising revenue with a captive audience ready to tune in. My impression is that our clubs want it cancelled so everyone knows where they stand and players can possibly claim the 80% government payments for lost earnings.

Then you'll just get the clubs at the top agitating to be promoted according to the current standings, which would be a bit like allowing the result of a match abandoned at 2-1 after 75 minutes to stand in my view, and we surely can't relegate anyone on the basis of an uncompleted season?
 
Pink Panther said:
I don't think anyone is syggesting that as a solution at this level, that's a Premier League thing as far as I can tell where millions can still be made from television and advertising revenue with a captive audience ready to tune in. My impression is that our clubs want it cancelled so everyone knows where they stand and players can possibly claim the 80% government payments for lost earnings.

Then you'll just get the clubs at the top agitating to be promoted according to the current standings, which would be a bit like allowing the result of a match abandoned at 2-1 after 75 minutes to stand in my view, and we surely can't relegate anyone on the basis of an uncompleted season?
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It's a crisis. Huge compromises have to be made and there may well winners and losers - in an off the field sense - but I'd suggest there could some reasonably fair algorithm (form, goals scored, goal difference* etc) that could decide the final standings. In my eyes it would seem unfair to deny Wealdstone their promotion but maybe not bother with any play off slots.

*Except in our league where promotion should be gifted to the team with the highest home gate. Obviously.
 
In my view the clubs and authorities should do everything they can to try to get the remaining matches played, and cancel the season only as a very last resort. My suggestion would be that the remaining matches are played late in the summer (or whenever is possible) and, in order to make some extra space in the calendar, next season's additional competitions such as the FA Cup, FA Trophy, League Cup etc should all take a year off. Obviously there would also need to be a temporary relaxation of certain rules around transfer windows etc.

Alternatively, I think it would be fair to complete leagues by using each team's average points-per-match to finish all the standings.
 
blueheaven said:
In my view the clubs and authorities should do everything they can to try to get the remaining matches played, and cancel the season only as a very last resort. My suggestion would be that the remaining matches are played late in the summer (or whenever is possible) and, in order to make some extra space in the calendar, next season's additional competitions such as the FA Cup, FA Trophy, League Cup etc should all take a year off. Obviously there would also need to be a temporary relaxation of certain rules around transfer windows etc.

Alternatively, I think it would be fair to complete leagues by using each team's average points-per-match to finish all the standings.
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Wouldn't some clubs still have to pay some contracted players during this extended period?
 
Players are out of contract at end of April and clubs are having to pay their wages already. How will they retain them and carry on paying until an undefined date in the future?
 
liamdhfc said:
Players are out of contract at end of April and clubs are having to pay their wages already. How will they retain them and carry on paying until an undefined date in the future?
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It's suggested here that clubs might have to go on paying some player's wages indefinitely unless something changes. We'll see a lot of clubs fold if that's the case.
Right now, we believe that the National League’s position is that they wish to be able to resume the 2019-20 season at some point. The feeder Leagues do not support this because our Clubs do not have the financial resources to continue to honour Player contracts indefinitely.
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BetVictor

www.betvictoristhmian.co.uk www.betvictoristhmian.co.uk
 
I can't see why a club would have to pay players beyond their contractual end date.

I think that's a reference to 2019/20 contracts being paid until they expire and the players then having to be re-engaged to ensure clubs can fulfill the remainder of the season, at an unknown date, if it was decided to play on.

Clearly players contracted upto the end of 2020/21 or beyond will have to be paid still.

I can see the potential for a few disputes about end of season bonuses, where they have been written into contracts.
 
Roger D said:
I can't see why a club would have to pay players beyond their contractual end date.

I think that's a reference to 2019/20 contracts being paid until they expire and the players then having to be re-engaged to ensure clubs can fulfill the remainder of the season, at an unknown date, if it was decided to play on.

Clearly players contracted upto the end of 2020/21 or beyond will have to be paid still.

I can see the potential for a few disputes about end of season bonuses, where they have been written into contracts.
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Bonuses this year?! Lol.
 
EDC said:
I don't see why supporters should have to donate anything.
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Because a tiny community club will die otherwise.

I'm a long way from Dulwich, but do follow Ed's commentary on the club, it is obviously well loved.

Were it not for the distance, I suspect that my team (Hearts) would be in the same league next season. :)
 
Sasaferrato said:
Because a tiny community club will die otherwise.

I'm a long way from Dulwich, but do follow Ed's commentary on the club, it is obviously well loved.

Were it not for the distance, I suspect that my team (Hearts) would be in the same league next season. :)
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Its sweet of you to let EDC know what will happen, he has after all been going to the club longer than editor

Stay safe Sasaferrato

EDC is the closest version of you we have. Both old and grumpy.
 
Pink Panther said:
I assume Roger was making a generalpoint rather than a referenceto our own club.


Frankly a lot of people will have greater priorities right now. No one knows just how long this situation will last and many supporters will be worried about their own employment prospects beyond the immediate future.
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Yes, I do appreciate that people have more on their mind at the moment.

One thing I have seen in my relatively long life is that when slightly precarious things die in a crisis, they don't tend to ever get going again.
 
Sasaferrato said:
Because a tiny community club will die otherwise.

I'm a long way from Dulwich, but do follow Ed's commentary on the club, it is obviously well loved.

Were it not for the distance, I suspect that my team (Hearts) would be in the same league next season. :)
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Ridiculous food and drink prices prevent me spending more money when I go to matches so I’m buggered if I’m going to put money in a bucket.
 
EDC said:
Ridiculous food and drink prices prevent me spending more money when I go to matches so I’m buggered if I’m going to put money in a bucket.
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The pie and mash with peas is worth £6. How much is it?

As for the fish and chips, pointless.
 
editor said:
They need to cancel the leagues now. There's no fucking way this will all blow over in a month or two, and playing behind closed doors is financial suicide for clubs who are already struggling, neither can they honour player contracts indefinitely while this drags on.
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Unless the ridiculously rich Premier League 'trickles' some money downwards. I should imagine that in terms of Man U, funding Dulwich would simply be a rounding exercise.
 
A bit off topic, but here in Scotland the situation in the SPL is that Celtic are demanding they be declared champions and the remaining games abandoned, Hearts on the on the other hand are determined that the games should be played.

If the season is declared ended, Hearts will go down (again), which they obviously want to avoid. Anne Budge, the Hearts owner states that she will sue if the games aren't played. What grounds there are for a law suit... who knows. Even if the games are played there is no guarantee that Hearts won't go down anyway, it has been an abysmal season.

I wonder if my curmudgeonlyness is a result of supporting Hearts for 5 decades? :D It has not been unalloyed joy! :D
 
EDC said:
Or up I presume. I feel sorry for Wealdstone.
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Nobody knows about promotion out of NLS. Suspect the FA might have come to a swift decision on those leagues because the affected clubs won't be able to afford the litigation that'll be rife higher up the pyramid if they try the same thing.
 
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