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Starry Wisdom
i posted a news story about it above. not many dead.
Driverless trains on the Tube?
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Yes, I remember it - though I couldn't have told you the details without the Reuters story posted above.
This was the time of the Beckton extension being delayed because, as I recall it, the old control system on the Tower Gateway to Island Gardens section wouldn't talk to the new control system on the Poplar - Beckton section.
There weren't any driver cab doors on the original Victoria Line stock either.
Also, I'd suggest these designs are more akin to concepts rather than locked-on engineering plans. Those 'headlights' look a tad ambitious for example, as I think you noted yourself
Um, where did I say that? What I said was "no serious incidents". And where does 1987 come into it? It was still a very, very long time ago.
Um, there is always a member of staff on board DLR trains.
Where did I say they were "unstaffed"? I did not. I said they were driverless. Hows does a member of staff on board, who (most of the time) all they do is close the doors and give the train the ok to go equate to "the vigilance of unionised train drivers"?
It's a fact.
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andysays
Love and solidarity
You didn't say they were unstaffed. I was drawing the distinction between driverless and unstaffed because it's an important one which might otherwise be missed, not necessarily by you, but by others.
So, do you have anything to back up this claimed "fact"?
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Starry Wisdom
you're going senile
your first post on this thread:now, for the record, do you believe that two trains colliding, as happened at west india quay bridge in april 1991, counts as a crash?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
We were supposed to have had driverless tube trains since before I was born. It wont happen
http://finnbrennan.wordpress.com/ - has some good stuff on why it wont happen, as does Christian Wolmar http://www.wolmarforlondon.co.uk/driverless_train_fantasy_exposed
http://finnbrennan.wordpress.com/ - has some good stuff on why it wont happen, as does Christian Wolmar http://www.wolmarforlondon.co.uk/driverless_train_fantasy_exposed
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Platform edge doors are for efficiency and airflow reasons, as well as for safety.
andysays
Love and solidarity
SikhWarrioR
And the Worms ate into his brain
It has happened, I'm really surprised folk don't seem to know that
The opened in the early 1920's and closed in the early 2000's Post Office Railway running from Whitechapel to Paddington was always driverless/crewless from the opening day to the closing day
The only thing I said about 1987 was that that was when the DLR opened, but not in my first post. I'm not sure how that relates to the discussion we are having atm?you're going senile
I said "serious incident". Do you consider that a serious incident? No one was hurt afaik.
As I already pointed out, one of the trains being driving by a human. That and the fact that we have no further info on what the cause was seems to me that the incident doesn't count in a discussion about the safety of a complely automated system. I also said 1991 was a very long time ago; technology has move on a lot since then.
Consider this: Google's self-driving car has been driving for years with not one single incident - well there was one, but it was when a human was driving. I'm sure it's a hell of a lot harder for a computer to drive a car than it is a train.
I said the doors were for airflow, which they are. Tell me this, if they are for safety then why is it that only the deep level section so the Jubilee line extension have them?
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=19286&page=2
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Starry Wisdom
let's put it this way. you asked about a crash (as per post quoted before). i duly produce crash. you deny crash. you deny crash. you deny crash. you post up some bollocks about it being a crash between two different sorts of trains, based on fuck knows what - you said it appeared in a link i posted which it in fact didn't. but a fucking crash on the dlr is a crash on the dlr and it seems to me that not only are you moving the goal posts, you're saying that it was in fact the wrong sort of crash. just ONE question, and i only want a ONE WORD answer - do you think two trains colliding is a crash? - yes or no.The only thing I said about 1987 was that that was when the DLR opened, but not in my first post. I'm not sure how that relates to the discussion we are having atm?
I said "serious incident". Do you consider that a serious incident? No one was hurt afaik.
As I already pointed out, one of the trains being driving by a human. That and the fact that we have no further info on what the cause was seems to me that the incident doesn't count in a discussion about the safety of a complely automated system. I also said 1991 was a very long time ago; technology has move on a lot since then.
Consider this: Google's self-driving car has been driving for years with not one single incident - well there was one, but it was when a human was driving. I'm sure it's a hell of a lot harder for a computer to drive a car than it is a train.
I said the doors were for airflow, which they are. Tell me this, if they are for safety then why is it that only the deep level section so the Jubilee line extension have them?
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=19286&page=2
it's like not knowing when to touch out
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Starry Wisdom
don't get bungle started on oyster cards
The accident was pre oyster luckily, otherwise the trip down the ladder would have been costlydon't get bungle started on oyster cards
I thought it was too good to be true. You just cannot help yourself can you? This article was posted earlier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_India_Quay
There was a HUMAN driving. So the incident means nothing in a discussion about automation of railways.
The accident report lays the blame squarely with the humans and not the automated system:
http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/investigation_reports/reports_2010/report032010.cfm
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Starry Wisdom
except the one which happened on 22/4/1991
Do you know what "as far as I remember" means? Silly me for not having encyclopaedic knowledge of every single incident that's ever happened on the railways.
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Starry Wisdom
at this point in the thread the ONLY article "linked to" was one i posted which mentioned nothing about this.
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Starry Wisdom
as i've reminded you about it fucking half a dozen times i would hope you could come out with something a bit stronger.
How does an accident involving an automated train have nothing to do with accidents involving automated trains?
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Starry Wisdom
i've reread the thread and i've searched the thread and i cannot see where this article previously linked to. so unless you can show me i'll have to assume you're lying.
Because I already said about a million times one of the trains was being driving by a human, and it was the human that made the mistake.
it wasn't the driverless train's fault, it would have made a good Thomas plot
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Starry Wisdom
you're lying again, by a factor of 10^6
Nice side-tracking. Now I've blown your entire argument out of the water your focusing on some irrelevancy.
Lying?? I just posted the fucking accident report..............
You mean a report about a different incident in 2009?
