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Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

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On War On The Rock THE ROLE OF THE PENTAGON IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION
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Trump’s foreign policy team is divided into three competing factions, as Thomas Wright recently argued. The “America First” circle questions the value and contributions of America’s allies around the world and believes that the United States has been disadvantaged by nearly all free trade deals. The “religious warriors” see radical Islam as an existential threat to the West and believe that protecting America from this rising threat demands a massive re-prioritization of our policies. The “traditionalists” continue to support the post-World War II bipartisan consensus, where the United States plays a strong global leadership role backed by a strong military and sustained engagement with allies and friends. These three factions will battle for dominance over the next year as Trump settles on what direction the United States should take in this new era.
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The Sad, the Mad and the Dads.
 
Pickman's model said:
for a fistful of donalds
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This is all a bit like The Man In The High Castle series except the Axis powers winning WWII does not head off a dystopian future America in which Donald Trump is inaugurated as President and leader of the free(-ish) world.
 
CrabbedOne said:

This is all a bit like The Man In The High Castle series except the Axis powers winning WWII does not head off a dystopian future America in which Donald Trump is inaugurated as President and leader of the free(-ish) world.
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i went to donaldjtrump.com and this is what i saw

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they are *still* taking donations
 
Idris2002 said:
Wasn't there serious talk of NATO being obsolete and unnecessary back in the early '70s? CrabbedOne, that's about your era isn't it?
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The European NATO forces job was to throw themselves a superior attacking tank army until the Septics could reinforce. Not far off a suicide mission. I recall it being said we'd probably have had to nuke the Soviets if they came through the Fulda Gap so also a bit redundant. Such a war would not have pleased the Germans and a escalatory spiral was likely.

As long as I can remember NATO's been a talking point in the US. Americans have deep isolationist instincts. Even the neocon thing was described as "isolationism turned outward". The Founders were very critical of binding alliances. For some NATO was a free ride for ungrateful Europeans much as Trump sees it. The above scenario when war gamed often involved them losing their coastal cites to ICBMs. It's an understandable position.

It's after the fairly peaceful end of the USSR NATO was really at a bit of loose end. But it expanded Eastward and now is rubbing up against Russia's borders as it was understood by Moscow it would not. It's now a big clumsy alliance of mostly militarily weak states who might well not live up to treaty commitments if asked to tangle with Russia.

Now Putin's Russia is much weaker but probably more dangerous. NATO (thanks to massive US defence spending) now has the conventional advantage. The Russians have a new very crazy doctrine of rapid escalation to tactical nukes just like the outnumbered Pakistanis. Unlike Pindi who hold their nukes disassembled the Russians have their strategic city killing nukes on a hair trigger as do the Americans. Add onto this a fast evolving doctrine of cross-domain coercion that blurs the lines of conventional warfare and emphasises Information Operations you have a very risky package.

Clinton's Russia policy may have been a wrongheaded continuation of arrogant mistakes but into this stumbles Trump eagerly set on renegotiating every alliance and trade deal (because he's the best) while undermining US deterrence with a rather adventurous Russia. What could go wrong?
 
Pilger is in fine form (link above)

The lies about Russia — in whose elections the US has openly intervened — have made the world’s most self-important journalists laughing stocks.
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The obsession with Trump is a cover for many of those calling themselves “left/liberal”, as if to claim political decency. They are not “left”, neither are they especially “liberal”. Much of America’s aggression towards the rest of humanity has come from so-called liberal Democratic administrations — such as Obama’s. America’s political spectrum extends from the mythical centre to the lunar right.
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I am cursed. I confidently predicted the Trump was a joke and would not be allowed to to win right at the start of this rthread. I also voted for the second time in my last year- and for the second time,I didnt back the winner obviously. Given this statistical trend, I now make the following predictions for 2017:

* Her Majesty will live to 150
*Cliff will be proven innocent of everything ever
*There will be no bloody Socialist revolution in the UK
 
CrabbedOne said:

Calling folk Nazis is one thing but comparisons to Vichy France are rather crueler.
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One of the most alarming aspects of the rise of Trump is (or should have been) his embrace of the Orwellian lie. This also cannot be normalized with a comforting “all politicians lie.” Of course they do. Lying is not telling the truth, or shaping a version of events with the intent to deceive. These things happen. Jimmy Carter promised he would “never lie to us.” Great. Nixon told so many lies it’s amazing he could keep track of them. But we are not talking about garden variety lying here — we are talking about the totalitarian lie: lies told, repeatedly, loudly and insistently, in direct confrontation with the indisputable truth. Lies purposefully designed to undermine the very capacity to make truth claims. Orwell was right to warn of this. But here we are.
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During a discussion on CNN tonight about John Lewis‘ comments about Donald Trump, Anderson Cooper couldn’t help but wonder how Democrats would have reacted if any Republican said the same about Hillary Clinton if she won.

Lewis said earlier today that he doesn’t consider Trump a “legitimate president,” citing Russian attempts to interfere in the election.

“I get he doesn’t like Donald Trump,” Cooper said, “I get he doesn’t accept the results of the election, but is this helpful in any way?… If a Republican had said this about President-elect Hillary Clinton, Democrats would be up in arms.”

Paul Begala said that Lewis was speaking from a “place of pain, not partisanship.” He personally believes that the election was legitimate, but “tainted.”

Kayleigh McEnany, meanwhile, said that Lewis is “putting being a liberal leftist above being an American.” She scolded him for his “despicable” comment and said it wasn’t Russia that took down Clinton’s flawed campaign.
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Anderson Cooper: If a Republican Said About Clinton What John Lewis Said About Trump…
 
camouflage said:
"doland trump - the road that led to the white house" I think would make a great title for this historical document of a thread.
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Oh yeah the library of congress will want to archive all those jpgs of Hilary Clinton laughing with Nukes going off in the background CR graced us with a few hundred pages back
 
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