Donald Trump, the road that might not lead to the White House!

[two sheds]

The "Libertarians" are just right wingers who want to smoke dope and get laid.

Well two out of three's a start.

 

[D'wards]

I would be curious to see just what happens if Trump gets in, but understand that it would be a disaster for the world.
Before his presidential bid i couldn't stand him, mostly after seeing You've Been Trumped. They should really show that in America - really show people what a spiteful greedy bullying arsehole he is, who can and will use his money and power to fuck over anyone who stands in his way.
Furthermore, he doesn't give a shit about America - its a huge ego trip.

 

[8den]

Why would I give you a dig for that, when I'm also a reluctant Clinton voter? Anyone who votes for 'ol cantaloupe head is just as crazy as he is. I've said before on this thread that the Greens are ineffectual and disorganized. The "Libertarians" are just right wingers who want to smoke dope and get laid.

Sorry no offensive intended, I just thought you were undecided and wanted to point out this isn't a two horse race (which it is, Stein and Johnson are on donkeys)

 

[8den]

I would be curious to see just what happens if Trump gets in, but understand that it would be a disaster for the world.
Before his presidential bid i couldn't stand him, mostly after seeing You've Been Trumped. They should really show that in America - really show people what a spiteful greedy bullying arsehole he is, who can and will use his money and power to fuck over anyone who stands in his way.
Furthermore, he doesn't give a shit about America - its a huge ego trip.

The urge to want Trump as President makes sense in the same way that you sometimes get the compulsion to do something reckless or terrible, shoplift, or set something on fire, or jump off a ledge.

 

[D'wards]

The urge to want Trump as President makes sense in the same way that you sometimes get the compulsion to do something reckless or terrible, shoplift, or set something on fire, or jump off a ledge.

I like apocalyptic fiction!

 

[8den]

I like apocalyptic fiction!

Emphasis mine.

Immortan Trump!!!!!!!

I have the best AquaCola! My desert oasis is a classy joint!

 

[8den]

Joe is probably more qualified than Trump and has run a successful society.

 

[CRI]

The urge to want Trump as President makes sense in the same way that you sometimes get the compulsion to do something reckless or terrible, shoplift, or set something on fire, or jump off a ledge.

Yup, and the dumbfucks who say Trump as president would be a good thing because it would "bring on the revolution," will be the least affected by it. They'll still be whining and tutting about their ethics and blaming the Democrats when more folks of colour are slaughtered by the police, Muslims are interned, access to contraception and abortion is banned, and the rest.

 

[1%er]

Yup, and the dumbfucks who say Trump as president would be a good thing because it would "bring on the revolution," will be the least affected by it. They'll still be whining and tutting about their ethics and blaming the Democrats when more folks of colour are slaughtered by the police, Muslims are interned, access to contraception and abortion is banned, and the rest.

Clearly posted by someone who hasn't lived in a country where the government has been overthrown or attempted to be overthrown by American foreign policy with the help from various arms of the US government (in some cases with the help of the government of the UK). Where they were successful that country inevitably ended up being run by the Army or oppressive dictatorship to the determent of the citizens of that country.

China 1949 to early 1960s, Albania 1949-53, East Germany 1950s, Iran 1953, Guatemala 1954, Costa Rica mid-1950s, Syria 1956-7, Egypt 1957, Indonesia 1957-8, British Guiana 1953-64, Iraq 1963, North Vietnam 1945-73, Cambodia 1955-70, Laos 1958, 1959, 1960, Ecuador 1960-63, Congo 1960, France 1965, Brazil 1962-64, Dominican Republic 1963, Cuba 1959 (until just recently), Bolivia 1964, Indonesia 1965, Ghana 1966, Chile 1964-73, Greece 1967, Costa Rica 1970-71, Bolivia 1971, Australia 1973-75, Angola 1975, 1980s, Zaire 1975, Portugal 1974-76, Jamaica 1976-80, Seychelles 1979-81, Chad 1981-82, Grenada 1983, South Yemen 1982-84, Suriname 1982-84, Fiji 1987, Libya 1980s, Nicaragua 1981-90, Panama 1989, Bulgaria 1990, Albania 1991, Iraq 1991, Afghanistan 1980s, Somalia 1993, Yugoslavia 1999-2000, Ecuador 2000, Afghanistan 2001,Venezuela 2002, Iraq 2003, Haiti 2004, Somalia 2007 to present, Honduras 2009, Libya 2011, Syria 2012, Ukraine 2014.

The USA spreading democracy around the world Yet in the USA the two people up for election have the highest ever untrustworthy rating and disliked rating in the history of the country

 

[TomUS]

Clearly posted by someone who hasn't lived in a country where the government has been overthrown or attempted to be overthrown by American foreign policy with the help from various arms of the US government (in some cases with the help of the government of the UK). Where they were successful that country inevitably ended up being run by the Army or oppressive dictatorship to the determent of the citizens of that country.

China 1949 to early 1960s, Albania 1949-53, East Germany 1950s, Iran 1953, Guatemala 1954, Costa Rica mid-1950s, Syria 1956-7, Egypt 1957, Indonesia 1957-8, British Guiana 1953-64, Iraq 1963, North Vietnam 1945-73, Cambodia 1955-70, Laos 1958, 1959, 1960, Ecuador 1960-63, Congo 1960, France 1965, Brazil 1962-64, Dominican Republic 1963, Cuba 1959 (until just recently), Bolivia 1964, Indonesia 1965, Ghana 1966, Chile 1964-73, Greece 1967, Costa Rica 1970-71, Bolivia 1971, Australia 1973-75, Angola 1975, 1980s, Zaire 1975, Portugal 1974-76, Jamaica 1976-80, Seychelles 1979-81, Chad 1981-82, Grenada 1983, South Yemen 1982-84, Suriname 1982-84, Fiji 1987, Libya 1980s, Nicaragua 1981-90, Panama 1989, Bulgaria 1990, Albania 1991, Iraq 1991, Afghanistan 1980s, Somalia 1993, Yugoslavia 1999-2000, Ecuador 2000, Afghanistan 2001,Venezuela 2002, Iraq 2003, Haiti 2004, Somalia 2007 to present, Honduras 2009, Libya 2011, Syria 2012, Ukraine 2014.

The USA spreading democracy around the world Yet in the USA the two people up for election have the highest ever untrustworthy rating and disliked rating in the history of the country

You think Trump would be less likely to mess with other countries than Hillary? I don't think so. He's obsessed with "taking the oil" in the Mid East which could only be done with an invasion. Might he have the same attitude toward Venezuela's oil....or Mexico's oil rigs in the Gulf to pay for his wall? We don't know what he'd do because he doesn't know. He makes emotional snap decisions & is inclined to plunder the natural resources of other countries.

Donald Trump said that former President George W. Bush should have “kept the oil” after invading Iraq. “And, I said, keep the oil,”....
....any plan to defeat the Islamic State should focus on taking the oil revenue stream that the terrorist group uses to fund its welfare state saying “I’m looking to take the oil. I want to take the oil. I want the oil.”
.....“I’m only interested in Libya if we take the oil.

Trump Doubles Down On Wild Idea About Iraqi Oil

 

[agricola]

You think Trump would be less likely to mess with other countries than Hillary? I don't think so. He's obsessed with "taking the oil" in the Mid East which could only be done with an invasion. Might he have the same attitude toward Venezuela's oil....or Mexico's oil rigs in the Gulf to pay for his wall? We don't know what he'd do because he doesn't know. He makes emotional snap decisions & is inclined to plunder the natural resources of other countries.

He is running for President, not Dictator. If he did win I would put money on him achieving the least of any president in US history, everything he tried to do would either be blocked by the Senate or by the federal government itself.

 

[teqniq]

Strangely I just finished reading a Scifi novel called 'Titan' by Stephen Baxter. Published in 1997 it has the US president Maclachlan in 2014 wanting to build a wall along the Mexican border. Worryingly prescient. More worrying is perhaps the possibility that Trump is getting some of his policy from apocalyptic Scifi novels.

 

[TomUS]

He is running for President, not Dictator. If he did win I would put money on him achieving the least of any president in US history, everything he tried to do would either be blocked by the Senate or by the federal government itself.

The pres is commander in chief of the military & can order it to do anything. It is pretty much unprecedented for congress to stop a military operation once it has started.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Only one person missing, CR

 

[J Ed]

Chelsea Clinton at AIDS charity center in Zanzibar:

I have no doubt that Chelsea is a better person than Trump's personification of a frat boy rapist failsons but she is pretty horrible too.

Chelsea Clinton: Bernie Sanders’ plan to end mass incarceration is ‘worrying'

Chelsea Clinton said Senator Bernie Sanders’ proposal to end mass incarceration in the US is "worrying" and insinuated that her mother’s rival does not understand what is “possible” to achieve in Government.

Speaking to a packed town hall in Cleveland, Ohio, Chelsea Clinton took the opportunity to denounce Senator Sanders’ proposed criminal justice reforms when she was asked about her mother’s “vagaries” towards African American policy.

She replied that Senator Sanders advocated the end of mass incarceration, aiming for the US to no longer be the country with the highest number of people in jail by the end of his first term in 2020 - but his plan "worried" her.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/us/politics/16chelsea.html

“Has your mother shown any remorse for the fact that her vote cost Iraqis a million of their lives?” a student asked Chelsea Clinton on Monday at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.


Ms. Clinton replied: “She cast a vote based on the best available evidence. Perhaps you had clairvoyance then, and that’s extraordinary.”

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

The pres is commander in chief of the military & can order it to do anything. It is pretty much unprecedented for congress to stop a military operation once it has started.

To my knowledge, the only one they've balked was when Obama wanted their consent to go into Libya. He make the mistake of asking beforehand.

 

[bluescreen]

Clearly posted by someone who hasn't lived in a country where the government has been overthrown or attempted to be overthrown by American foreign policy with the help from various arms of the US government (in some cases with the help of the government of the UK). Where they were successful that country inevitably ended up being run by the Army or oppressive dictatorship to the determent of the citizens of that country.

China 1949 to early 1960s, Albania 1949-53, East Germany 1950s, Iran 1953, Guatemala 1954, Costa Rica mid-1950s, Syria 1956-7, Egypt 1957, Indonesia 1957-8, British Guiana 1953-64, Iraq 1963, North Vietnam 1945-73, Cambodia 1955-70, Laos 1958, 1959, 1960, Ecuador 1960-63, Congo 1960, France 1965, Brazil 1962-64, Dominican Republic 1963, Cuba 1959 (until just recently), Bolivia 1964, Indonesia 1965, Ghana 1966, Chile 1964-73, Greece 1967, Costa Rica 1970-71, Bolivia 1971, Australia 1973-75, Angola 1975, 1980s, Zaire 1975, Portugal 1974-76, Jamaica 1976-80, Seychelles 1979-81, Chad 1981-82, Grenada 1983, South Yemen 1982-84, Suriname 1982-84, Fiji 1987, Libya 1980s, Nicaragua 1981-90, Panama 1989, Bulgaria 1990, Albania 1991, Iraq 1991, Afghanistan 1980s, Somalia 1993, Yugoslavia 1999-2000, Ecuador 2000, Afghanistan 2001,Venezuela 2002, Iraq 2003, Haiti 2004, Somalia 2007 to present, Honduras 2009, Libya 2011, Syria 2012, Ukraine 2014.

The USA spreading democracy around the world Yet in the USA the two people up for election have the highest ever untrustworthy rating and disliked rating in the history of the country

France? Australia? One doesn't have to be a fan of De Gaulle or Malcolm Fraser to question whether their regimes were "oppressive dictatorships". And how much did the USA actually interfere here?

These stood out. I don't know about all the others. Some are indisputable. US influence has been anything but benign in far too many countries. But the inclusion of these two in your list is astonishing.

 

[J Ed]

Hillary Clinton needs to wake up. Trump is stealing the voters she takes for granted | Thomas Frank

The Republicans were trying to win the support of people like me! Not tactfully or convincingly or successfully, of course: they don’t know the language of liberalism and wouldn’t speak it if they did; and most of the liberals I know will never be swayed anyway. But they were trying nevertheless.

Donald Trump’s many overtures to supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders were just the beginning. He also deliberately echoed the language of Franklin Roosevelt, he denounced “big business” (not once but several times), and certain of his less bloodthirsty foreign policy proposals almost remind one of George McGovern’s campaign theme: “Come home, America.”

Ivanka Trump promised something that sounded like universal day care. Peter Thiel denounced the culture wars as a fraud and a distraction. The Republican platform was altered to include a plank calling for the breakup of big banks via the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall. I didn’t hear anyone talk about the need to bring “entitlements” under control. And most crucially, the party’s maximum leader has adopted the left critique of “free trade” almost in its entirety, a critique that I have spent much of my adult life making.

It boggles my simple liberal mind. The party of free trade and free markets now says it wants to break up Wall Street banks and toss Nafta to the winds. The party of family values has nominated a thrice-married vulgarian who doesn’t seem threatened by gay people or concerned about the war over bathrooms. The party of empire wants to withdraw from foreign entanglements.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

The pres is commander in chief of the military & can order it to do anything. It is pretty much unprecedented for congress to stop a military operation once it has started.

Any postman would be able to stop a military operation if Trump has his way


The possible next Commander-in-Chief there

 

[existentialist]

Casually Red and David Duke both think that Trump is a better choice than Hillary.



Former KKK leader David Duke, citing Trump, announces Senate bid

Was that photo taken on London's South Bank?

 

[TomUS]

It boggles my simple liberal mind. The party of free trade and free markets now says it wants to break up Wall Street banks and toss Nafta to the winds. The party of family values has nominated a thrice-married vulgarian who doesn’t seem threatened by gay people or concerned about the war over bathrooms. The party of empire wants to withdraw from foreign entanglements.

It should boggle any mind. Trump has picked a VP nominee who loves NAFTA & the TPP, is very anti gay rights, very concerned about the war over bathrooms & has been a gung ho proponent of American empire & the Iraq invasion & occupation (far more than Hillary ever was). He also recently wanted his VP to be in charge of domestic & foreign policy. So who is the real Trump? Does Trump even know?

 

[8den]

It should boggle any mind. Trump has picked a VP nominee who loves NAFTA & the TPP, is very anti gay rights, very concerned about the war over bathrooms & has been a gung ho proponent of American empire & the Iraq invasion & occupation (far more than Hillary ever was). He also recently wanted his VP to be in charge of domestic & foreign policy. So who is the real Trump? Does Trump even know?

As some said, after a certain point is doesn't matter if you're really a racist, or just pandering to racists, the result is the same.

 

[ViolentPanda]

France? Australia? One doesn't have to be a fan of De Gaulle or Malcolm Fraser to question whether their regimes were "oppressive dictatorships". And how much did the USA actually interfere here?

These stood out. I don't know about all the others. Some are indisputable. US influence has been anything but benign in far too many countries. But the inclusion of these two in your list is astonishing.

He could equally have included Italy in the list. France, Germany and Italy all had Gladio-type operations ran on their domestic left by the USA. As for Australia, The US strong-armed post-war Australia into leasing loads of land and bases to them, in the form of mutual defence treaties - remember Aus sending troops to Vietnam, perhaps? This may not be interference on the scale of murdering thousands of leftists, but it's still the sort of imperialistic behaviour that the US has been known for since the mid-nineteenth century.

 

[8den]

Donald Trump's Mum.

Well that explains ALOT.

Photo of Donald Trump’s mother Mary Trump goes viral

 

[bluescreen]

He could equally have included Italy in the list. France, Germany and Italy all had Gladio-type operations ran on their domestic left by the USA. As for Australia, The US strong-armed post-war Australia into leasing loads of land and bases to them, in the form of mutual defence treaties - remember Aus sending troops to Vietnam, perhaps? This may not be interference on the scale of murdering thousands of leftists, but it's still the sort of imperialistic behaviour that the US has been known for since the mid-nineteenth century.

Interference - yes, I wouldn't disagree with that. Interference all over the place. Oz in Vietnam, yes. CIA even funded Quadrant. (UK interference in Oz governance was worse, arguably.)
It was this bit that I was really taking issue with:

... a country where the government has been overthrown or attempted to be overthrown by American foreign policy with the help from various arms of the US government (in some cases with the help of the government of the UK). Where they were successful that country inevitably ended up being run by the Army or oppressive dictatorship to the determent of the citizens of that country.

But perhaps I was misreading it to see a suggestion that the governments in the list of countries following that statement had actually been overthrown.

 

[Casually Red]

I see the liberals are going all out with the Putin under the bed angle .

Donald Trump and Russia: a web that grows more tangled all the time

If they can just somehow manage to tie Corbyn into that mix it'll be liberal heaven

 

[Saul Goodman]

 

[Casually Red]

That's actually a good one

 

[Casually Red]

Good article here on how the neo con champion Clintons failed attempt at regime change in Syria has been disastrous not only for Syria and its neighbours but for US foreign policy in general. Making her unfit to be president .

Hillary Clinton and the Syrian Bloodbath

And recent statements from the Clinton camp..neo con to the core...indicate that if elected she'll be doubling down on these efforts . Especially as regards a " no fly zone " ..which will of course have to be enforced against Russia . That's we're the spectre of direct confrontation between US and Russian forces enters the equation the second she manages to assume power . As well as the fact that her interpretation of a no fly zone in Libya meant militarily enforced regime change and destroy Libya itself . While arming Islamist rebels on the ground .

This is what will lead to world war 3 . The woman's a murderous neo con lunatic .

Hillary Clinton will reset Syria policy against 'murderous' Assad regime

And from her e mail archive her real agenda on the matter explained in full

WikiLeaks - Hillary Clinton Email Archive

And of course these delightful people who've brought such joy and wonder to the world, shaped much of the modern world really

Robert Kagan and Other Neocons Are Backing Hillary Clinton

 

[Yossarian]

Donald Trump's Mum.

Well that explains ALOT.

Photo of Donald Trump’s mother Mary Trump goes viral