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David Cameron urges internet firms to block child abuse images

Bernie Gunther said:
Just to re-iterate, any ISP with this stuff installed is apparently going to be forwarding everybody's internet history to unaccountable third parties whether they've opted in or not.

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As with the recent Snowden "revelations" (much of which was already public knowledge going back at least as far as PATRIOT, arguably to Echelon) the "nothing to hide..." wibblers will be out in force for this one to imply that people concerned about freedom might well be dirty peeeeeeeeeeeeedos on the quiet.

What they fail to compute in their brane is that when electronic communications are subject to corporations and others looking at them, and privacy is dead, the blackmail potential is absolutely enormous, to the extent that democracy is more or less defunct.

Those who fear a government by extortion have much to fear.
 
I don't see this as Orwellian spook stuff.

That's already happening with deep packet inspection at the telco level and doesn't need the excuse of child porn. The spooks are utterly unaccountable and probably couldn't give a shit about Cameron as they can already bug anything they feel like.

This is more about commercial/political shit. Copyright enforcement, super-intrusive commercial data mining, editing reality via search engine restriction etc.

As usual, someone has given Shiny Dave a big bag of used notes and/or quality charlie and he's whoring for them like a good little PR guy, while scoring morality points with the Mail and doing a little bit of divide and rule politically on the side.
 
Bernie Gunther said:
I don't see this as Orwellian spook stuff.

That's already happening with deep packet inspection at the telco level and doesn't need the excuse of child porn. The spooks are utterly unaccountable and probably couldn't give a shit about Cameron as they can already bug anything they feel like.

This is more about commercial shit. Copyright enforcement, super-intrusive commercial data mining, editing reality via search engine restriction etc.

As usual, someone has given Shiny Dave a big bag of used notes and/or quality charlie and he's whoring for them like a good little PR guy, while scoring morality points with the Mail and doing a little bit of divide and rule politically on the side.
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I agree. I maybe wasn't too clear. I think the spook stuff is happening already too, and find the corporate line on this move more compelling.
 
I wonder if esoteric stuff would include main religious websites? Surely any religion is going to be a bit esoteric. Are they really going to block all the woowoo stuff, or will it only be goverment sponsered woowoo?
 
xes said:
I wonder if esoteric stuff would include main religious websites? Surely any religion is going to be a bit esoteric. Are they really going to block all the woowoo stuff, or will it only be goverment sponsered woowoo?
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Depends what you mean by "main religious websites"? Would be interesting for sure what fell under that category.
 
TruXta said:
Depends what you mean by "main religious websites"? Would be interesting for sure what fell under that category.
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Little old ladies church meeting groups or sunday church tea morning websites. Blogs of someone of faith preaching their love for their belief. Random stuff like this I was thinking more along the line of. There must be thousands of little community based websites which could be affected by that.
 
xes said:
Little old ladies church meeting groups or sunday church tea morning websites. Blogs of someone of faith preaching their love for their belief. Random stuff like this I was thinking more along the line of. There must be thousands of little community based websites which could be affected by that.
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Wouldn't surprise me if the most vile fundie Xtian stuff was left unfiltered whilst e.g. Goddess-worshipping neopagans were filtered.
 
This just shouldn't be happening. Why the fuck should Urban be banned unless you call up to get put on a pervert list?
 
Fez909 said:
This just shouldn't be happening. Why the fuck should Urban be banned unless you call up to get put on a pervert list?
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When did Urban being banned crop up? I've been reading the thread but I'm at a loss as to why Urban should or possible could be banned. :confused:
 
Exactly.

A lot of people here would support violent revolution and that sort of stuff.

Pretty 'extreme' when compared to mainstream opinion.
 
I just found out 02 already have filters turned on. :mad: you have to dial 61018 to turn them off (i've just done it on my phone and tablet).
There is a website you can go to as well but that wouldn't work for me.
phone line is automated so you don't have to speak to a human and tell them you are a "pervert" :p although no doubt my name is now on a list :hmm:
You have to pay them a quid using your credit card (debit cards not accepted) to "prove" you are 18.
It says they refund the quid back about a week later.
There is an obvious flaw there as not everyone has or can get a credit card if their credit rating is bad. :mad:

No categories of sites on o2 though, it was just "on" or "off" for the lot.

Wonder when BT are starting this crap on my pc broadband?
 
moochedit said:
I just found out 02 already have filters turned on. :mad: you have to dial 61018 to turn them off (i've just done it on my phone and tablet).
There is a website you can go to as well but that wouldn't work for me.
phone line is automated so you don't have to speak to a human and tell them you are a "pervert" :p although no doubt my name is now on a list :hmm:
You have to pay them a quid using your credit card (debit cards not accepted) to "prove" you are 18.
It says they refund the quid back about a week later.
There is an obvious flaw there as not everyone has or can get a credit card if their credit rating is bad. :mad:

No categories of sites on o2 though, it was just "on" or "off" for the lot.

Wonder when BT are starting this crap on my pc broadband?
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When I said categories, I meant categories of things which will be included in the filter. I have no idea if you would be able to tailor the filter to suit your needs - which is another shit thing about it. Let's assume that the filter really was to protect children from seeing porn (hah!) but the parents want to be able to go on Urban. They have to then call up, get Urban unblocked but perhaps everything else gets unblocked with it, meaning the filter was pointless. At least for its stated aim.
 
The o2 page wasn't very clear at all about exactly what is blocked by their filters. Maybe i should turn it on again some time and experiment :hmm:
 
B0B2oo9 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24980765

1000's of peado flock back to the many other search engines there are..... = not googles problem anymore.
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There aren't many other search engines. And even if there were, peados aren't using Google as it says in the article. This will make absolutely no difference to anything.

It actually worries me slightly that 10,000 search terms will not return 0 results. How is it possible for there to be 10,000 ways to search for child porn? :hmm:
 
Daily "shes all grown up"Wail claiming some sort of victory while actual experts in the area come out and say it will have bugger all effect....
 
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