Culturist Conference 2013

[classicdish]

1. Sources? Do a google search, it'll come up. Jack Straw said the English weren't worth saving during a meeting to do with the Falkland Islands, and well, the John Prescott thing is common knowledge.

I have already done a google search and can't find any original source for the Jack Straw quote. Sounds like bullshit to me.

 

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Except UKIP recently got attacked and are not a Nazi party...

do you believe UKIP membership and fascism are mutually exclusive?

 

[Limerick Red]

how did they get attacked?

reports are sketchy at the moment but apparently UKIP were shot dead by Scottish sepratists yesterday, a sad day for democracy.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Define Celtic.

P-Celt and Q-Celt.

 

[Binxie]

do you believe UKIP membership and fascism are mutually exclusive?

UKIP membership is not tantamount to Goose-stepping 'six million' off to concentration camps. Not to mention that UKIP's economic principles are right wing whilst a 'Nazi' would be left wing.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Except UKIP recently got attacked and are not a Nazi party...

So that is authoritarian surely because it effects the democratic process.

And they got attacked because...?

Hint: Where were they?

 

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UKIP membership is not tantamount to Goose-stepping 'six million' off to concentration camps. Not to mention that UKIP's economic principles are right wing whilst a 'Nazi' would be left wing.

that's neither an answer nor accurate

 

[butchersapron]

Note: the six million is in quotes. Do you have a problem with that figure or doubt that death camps existed Binxie?

 

[xslavearcx]

Good club, I like'em.

BOOO (and no im not rangers.)

 

[ViolentPanda]

UKIP membership is not tantamount to Goose-stepping 'six million' off to concentration camps. Not to mention that UKIP's economic principles are right wing whilst a 'Nazi' would be left wing.

Why the quotation marks around the figure?
I've generally only seen that done by certain rightists who have a hard time with established history.

 

[Limerick Red]

Note: the six million is in ''s.

nearly wanted to give em a like for this one

 

[ViolentPanda]

Note: the six million is in ''s.

Yup.

Getting smelly.

 

[xslavearcx]

Japanese culture is also arguable not a good comparator, as Japanese culture has at least partially evolved through a process of ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Ainu from the Islands, and from the centuries-long practice of xenophobia.

Dang knew i shoulda said x culture..... note to myself - must be more abstract in the future.

 

[Binxie]

P-Celt and Q-Celt.

That's language, completely different argument.

There are people who Native American who speak English, doesn't mean that they are English though does it.

There was never this unified culture known as the Celts, it is a fairly modern invention created by a increased interest during the Renaissance and Victorian eras. Most of the Scots are Scandinavian in origin, Edinburgh was built by the English and the Danes were also a heavy influence on Ireland too.

 

[xslavearcx]

That's language, completely different argument.

There are people who Native American who speak English, doesn't mean that they are English though does it.

There was never this unified culture known as the Celts, it is a fairly modern invention created by a increased interest during the Renaissance and Victorian eras. Most of the Scots are Scandinavian in origin, Edinburgh was built by the English and the Danes were also a heavy influence on Ireland too.

Your kinda undermining your point about a unified singular culture there arent you?

 

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which reminds me, I want to pick up Richard Evans book on the Irving trial.

 

[TruXta]

Most of the Scots are Scandinavian in origin

Idiot.

 

[Binxie]

Yup.

Getting smelly.

I used it in inverted commas because its what Antifa use to justify violence on groups that are anti-immigration, and what Israel uses as a defence when anyone dares question them on the abuse of Palestine.

 

[Binxie]

Idiot.

Do a bit of research you ignorant shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_Scotland

 

[butchersapron]

I used it in inverted commas because its what Antifa use to justify violence on groups that are anti-immigration, and what Israel uses as a defence when anyone dares question them on the abuse of Palestine.

Wtf? What do you mean that's what antifa and Israel do? No they don't. And if they did, why would that lead you to do it? Where is this drivel coming from?

 

[TruXta]

Do a bit of research you ignorant shit.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/aug/15/scotland-dna-study-project

took me 3 seconds

 

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Do a bit of research you ignorant shit.

there's certainly more Scandinavian influence in Scotland than in the other Celtic regions, but 'most' is an exaggeration

 

[ViolentPanda]

The mask begins to slip?

Its fairly common knowledge that groups like UAF are state supported, you have the likes of Ken Livingstone heading the bloody organisation for one thing, and nobs like Cameron pledging their support too.

UAF and HnH are to anti-fascism as Labour are to socialism. They dabble, but they don't constitute the entirety of anti-fascism by a long chalk. Why would everyone want to be either one of Weyman's Warriors or Gerry's Gladiators?

 

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I used it in inverted commas because its what Antifa use to justify violence on groups that are anti-immigration, and what Israel uses as a defence when anyone dares question them on the abuse of Palestine.

so what figures would you suggest we use if you don't like that one?

 

[Binxie]

so what figures would you suggest we use if you don't like that one?

I don't know, an original one that isn't 70 years old and has modernised and doesn't use emotional responses as a way of attempting to win an argument?

 

[TruXta]

I don't know, an original one that isn't 70 years old and has modernised and doesn't use emotional responses as a way of attempting to win an argument?

No need to get emotional for us when we have all the facts on our side you moron.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't know, an original one that isn't 70 years old and has modernised and doesn't use emotional responses as a way of attempting to win an argument?

Let me get this right then - you challenge the 6 million figure. And you challenge it on the basis that it is 70 years old? Do you know why it's 70 years old? Are you going to challenged the start date of UK entry into the war with Germany because that figure too is 70+ years old?

 

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I don't know, an original one that isn't 70 years old and has modernised and doesn't use emotional responses as a way of attempting to win an argument?

you have suggestions i'd assume

 

[butchersapron]

Why on earth are these ideological racists always so incoherent? I'm sure some of them must have worked out positions that don't rely on factual inaccuracies, wild logical leaps and plain old bullshit.

 

[Binxie]

Let me get this right then - you challenge the 6 million figure. And you challenge it on the basis that it is 70 years old? Do you know why it's 70 years old? Are you going to challenged the start date of UK entry into the war with Germany because that figure too is 70+ years old?

I didn't say I questioned the number, did I? But there are some serious questions on the number killed, not that it lessens the severity of the crime.