Cop strikes woman at G20 on video

[cesare]

Sooo ...

being as the police work to the principle that kettling is all ok as long as it's proportionate ... do they have roaming kitted out cops that help maintain the entirely proportionate kettles or summat?

 

[smokedout]

society encourages a craven attitude to authority 'please sir, can I have another slap?'

No man escapes when freedom fails;
The best men rot in filthy jails.
And those that cried "Appease! Appease"!
Are hanged by those they tried to please.

(anyone know where that came from btw, it seems to be a bit of a staple of right wing conspiranut sites, but i kinda like it)

 

[Herbert Read]

The name kettling and the technique came about because of the clearances of Jewish ghettos.

Nice.

 

[Herbert Read]

The name kettling and the technique came about because of the clearances of Jewish ghettos.

Nice.

http://tiny.cc/K7Qgt

 

[paolo]

Someone has put up a quite corrupted image suggesting that he is AB 42

http://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/04/427427.html?c=on#c220573

I spent alot of time comparing pics submitted last night, and with that one, I think they've got the right man.

 

[smokedout]

The name kettling and the technique came about because of the clearances of Jewish ghettos.

Nice.

equally tactful was the fact the G20 policing operation was called operation glencoe

 

[paolo]

It is against the law for officers to slap women across the face. Police are not allowed to cover up their numbers. Police are not allowed to strike people who present no threat.

I think the consideration is "reasonable force". The case I suspect his lawyer would try to make is something along the lines of "it seemed like it was about to kick off, so it seemed like the best course of action to least escalate the situation". The prosecution on the other hand would argue that it was disproportionate, and there were other courses of action that would have been more appropriate.

(Personally I think the *most* it merited was a 'short' shove back. Or possibly just a verbal "move back". But that's just my opinion.

Denumbering is illegal in Scotland, but simply "Bad Practice" in England/Wales (so I read here). But I'm sure it would be taken into account in a case like this.

Regardless of all that, I think this should go to court, so it can be dealt with as best as our system allows.

 

[Herbert Read]

equally tactful was the fact the G20 policing operation was called operation glencoe

Then I propose a protest against police brutality called Snowdonia...

 

[weepiper]

Then I propose a protest against police brutality called Snowdonia...

err...

 

[ViolentPanda]

Again,selective blindness.She clearly punched him in the back

Actually, what she's done is an admirable example of citizen action; she's used the minimum amount of force necessary to stop the policeman carrying out an assault on another citizen.
His striking her in the face, however, is no part of any officially-sanctioned control & restraint technique.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I think this thread needs a name change - now it's got onto the news people will be wanting to find a thread about it.

 

[paolo]

His striking her in the face, however, is no part of any officially-sanctioned control & restraint technique.

Quite. I think that actually weakens his possible defense more than the baton.

 

[ViolentPanda]

just watched that video again and if you look at the the end one of the FIT coppers present, who once again did nothing to intervene and presumably didnt report the matter, is Steve Discombe

he does get around

He's consistent in his uselessness and inertia, isn't he?

 

[paolo]

I think this thread needs a name change - now it's got onto the news people will be wanting to find a thread about it.

Good move.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Are those gloves standard issue or are they another accessory like the balaclava on the pc who pushed Ian Tomlinson?

Accessorising and covering their numbers . . . it encourages rogue behaviour.

If they weren't standard issue he's probably binned them by now, especially if they were a nice pair of the weighted gloves you can buy from Silverman on the Mile End Road.

 

[ViolentPanda]

3:40 onwards.Shoves him off camera,then tries to hit him again and he blocks her,then hits him again and he allegedley slaps her.All whilst been pushed and shoved from all sides

Thing is, her supposedly hitting him isn't supported by the filmed evidence, where as his slapping and then batoning of her is there for all to see, so why the "allegedly" crap?

You're clearly a misogynistic saddo of a BNP fellow-traveller who can't distinguish there fevered fantasies from reality.

 

[paolo]

Sidenote: I've read that the balaclavas are standard issue for protection against petrol bombs; and seperately, in one officer's view, that given their purpose, there was no need for them on that occasion.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

It just makes me very cross that people defend this stuff. After the cops start hassling the black guy in the background - you hear him saying "easy" and then the camera turns to show them shoving and manhandling him - the woman shouts at the copper in the foreground, he pushes her back, she approaches him again and he turns and deliberately (and audibly) back-hands her across the face, then clearly says "go away" afterwards. People start to shout, she keep on talking and pointing - actually not very close to him at all, there is clearly no danger, even if the fact that she's half his size isn't an indication of that - and he unfolds his baton, steps towards her and smacks her on the leg. She looks like she falls over then. Which you would, those things are not toys.

It just isn't open to interpretation. It's not an accident. There's no threat. It's physical violence used for intimidation. There aren't any two ways about it.

 

[paolo]

If they weren't standard issue

Probably were standard issue, but I'd have thought it was part of the 'full kit' they only put on when someone says to put it on. Maybe "Mr Slap" fancied 'a bit of extra' ahead of time. Smacks of "being up for it" either way.

 

[DotCommunist]

Given the shit I hear on the Wednesday from Jeremy Vines callers in (yeah I know), some folks think this is just desserts. They were calling for water cannons and baton rounds

How dare you exercise your right to peaceful protest

 

[paolo]

It just makes me very cross that people defend this stuff.

Hope you don't mean me.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Hope you don't mean me.

Oh no, I was just generally ranting.

 

[paolo]

Oh no, I was just generally ranting.

Cool.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It is against the law for officers to slap women across the face. Police are not allowed to cover up their numbers. Police are not allowed to strike people who present no threat.

So that makes you wrong, wrong and wrong.

To be fair though, sonny61 has made it abundantly clear on the threads in P & P he's contributed to that he has little, if any, understanding of police procedure, military procedure (he had a hilarious rant about how the British army should invade Zimbabwe) or constitutional law.

 

[ViolentPanda]

equally tactful was the fact the G20 policing operation was called operation glencoe

Mind you, at least if any branches of MacDonalds had gotten trashed, they'd have known to look for rioters with the surname "Campbell".

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think the consideration is "reasonable force". The case I suspect his lawyer would try to make is something along the lines of "it seemed like it was about to kick off, so it seemed like the best course of action to least escalate the situation". The prosecution on the other hand would argue that it was disproportionate, and there were other courses of action that would have been more appropriate.

The rule used to be (and should still be) "no blows above the shoulders", as there's far too much risk of damage involved in doing so. There are no control or restraint techniques allowed by the Home Office for use by police or Prison Service employees that includes striking to the face.

 

[Herbert Read]

err...

Top UK police chief is found dead

Michael Todd, the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police, disappeared while out walking on Snowdon, north Wales, on Monday night.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7290359.stm

Similar kind of thoughtless tact

 

[weepiper]

ah

 

[Blagsta]

Come on, there were some there trying to get a reaction from the police, hence the scores of people carrying video cameras, hoping to get something juicy.
The woman and others, jumped on a minor incident where the black bloke was pushed, and deliberately inflamed it, then screamed police brutality when they got a reaction from the police, what they were looking for.

wanker

 

[zygote]

Someone has put up a quite corrupted image suggesting that he is AB 42

http://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/04/427427.html?c=on#c220573

AB 42 is a sergeant with City Of Westminster Police based at Begravia