Concorde supersonic aeroplane, 1976-2003
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mauvais
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The air intake engineering was complex and novel, it might as well be rocket science; there weren't and aren't many aircraft that can do supercruise (supersonic cruise without afterburners), and there were other commercial requirements too like economics, predictability & reliability that you might escape some of in a military setting.
gosub
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Yesterday's future
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Yeah, the A-5 had variable inlet ramps in the 50s.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
I've never seen a video of a Concorde landing filmed at such proximity as this one was. Watch what happens to that hat...
Volume up, please.
tldw people: skip to 1m 58s
they really were loud, huh.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
I have heard that because they have a Comet, Concorde and a Vulcan. NMS at East Fortune have been seeking to develop a triple aircraft exhibition on how each one pushed the envelope of aircraft design in their time and how the development of one influenced the others.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
1989, the only time a Concorde visited St Martin…
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Would love to see the mayhem that ensued on the beach!
T & P
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Great point. I know the local authorities don’t (or didn’t use to until recently) prevent local beachgoers from getting the hairdryer experience from departing aircraft. But surely they must have made an exception with Concorde
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
It could go supersonic, but for no more than 20 minutes before the paint got too hot.
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T & P
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I appreciate the camouflage aspect of it might have been crucial for a spy plane, but how did the SR-71 cope with the pitfalls of painted black then? More so as it it was flying far faster than Concorde.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
SR71 was made of titanium rather than aluminium.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The story of how the US obtained said titanium is pretty awesome too.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Even post-Cold War it was quite a thing.
When we were building our deep sea landers, one year we ended-up in straight-up competition with Lockheed and Honda Racing for a substantial chunk of that year's production of a very particular grade of Russian Titanium.
And we won..!
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Yes, CIA and ghost companies. Saw that on a documentary recently.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Does look fake, but the road where it is taken is the last seconds of final approach, here: Google Maps
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Concorde was originally a military project and some of the preliminary/prototype aircraft designs that paved its way were smaller military development projects.
Although it wasn't this one:
This was just a bit of puff for the RAF Yearbook!
The Avro 730 was the RAF's planned supersonic nuclear bomber and although it was cancelled in 1957 in favour of the TSR2, the one bit of it that did fly eventually was as Concorde's tail!
The original design case for Concorde intended for its being used as a fast transport aircraft as part of a colonial-era rapid-reaction force but by the time it became reality and was too far down the road to cancel, both Britain and France were shedding colonies at a great rate and Britain's abandonment of its east of Aden military policy in 1968 put an end to any serious consideration for its military use, so it became a civilian airliner instead.
The RAF however remained heavily involved in its development and testing, even after it had entered commercial service.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Do you mean the Boeing SST?
The original Boeing SST was a much larger, more complex design compared to Concorde. With a double-droop nose and swing wings. Also a passing resemblance to the configuration of the XB-70 Bomber, which was derived from the same original design study
There is footage here of the original mockup, from 2:23 which had a working nose
As the design progressed, the swing wings were dropped for a more Concorde-like delta and a one piece nose:
And that, or a large part of it, incl the nose/cockpit ended-up in a church for quite some years..!
petee
no gods, no malarkey
Do you mean the Boeing SST?
The original Boeing SST was a much larger, more complex design compared to Concorde. With a double-droop nose and swing wings. Also a passing resemblance to the configuration of the XB-70 Bomber, which was derived from the same original design study
sweeet
painty job helps imo.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Do you mean the Boeing SST?
The original Boeing SST was a much larger, more complex design compared to Concorde. With a double-droop nose and swing wings. Also a passing resemblance to the configuration of the XB-70 Bomber, which was derived from the same original design study
There is footage here of the original mockup, from 2:23 which had a working nose
As the design progressed, the swing wings were dropped for a more Concorde-like delta and a one piece nose:
And that, or a large part of it, incl the nose/cockpit ended-up in a church for quite some years..!
Let's be honest the whole reason the US banned Concorde over land was because they didn't manage to get the Boeing off the ground. If there was a US SST sonic booms wouldnt have been a problem.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
the sonic booms weren't a problem for "the US", they were a problem for those living near airports.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
You dont get sonic booms near airports..
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Sonic booms were a problem for the US. They had already paid-out a small but not inconsequential number of claims for damage as a result of the XB-70 test flights and the Mach-3 target speed of the Boeing SST had the potential for more serious/damaging boomage than the Mach-2 target of Concorde, which in the US's estimation would mainly be flying over open sea - At that time, they estimated that the first generation US SSTs wouldn't have the range to operate transatlantic flights, so Concorde would get that market, with the Boeings flying transcontinental routes
There were also serious qualms about the pollution involved but although those were initially dismissed as inconsequential, further legal actions resulted in the ban on transcontinental flights, which were only later extended to exclude Concorde as well.
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