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Chilcot Iraq Enquiry.

alternatively, saying 'ner-ner-na-ner-ner, i was right all along' is hardly edifying...

he hasn't got anything interesting to say, its just his bitter revenge against an old enemy - he seems not to be interested in the failings of the machinery of government, but hey, he's got Blair in his sights. the fact that Blair is long gone is of little importance to Corbyn...

That is because this wasn't a failure of the machinery of government; it was a decision taken consciously and in contradiction of almost all the advice that the government gave the Prime Minister of the time.
 
Anyone else find it extremely poor taste to mention the hundreds of thousands of civillian deaths in the same breath as the fourteen-and-a-half British troops who died? If you join the army and invade an almost defenceless third world country and you still manage to get yourself killed, fuck you.
 
Cameron trying to make out that the invasion of Iraq didn't have much effect on islamic extremism worldwide. All credible evidence suggests the exact opposite.
That's odd, because Chilcot notes Blair's own JIC saying:

342. The JIC judged in October 2002 that “the greatest terrorist threat in the event of military action against Iraq will come from Al Qaida and other Islamic extremists”; and they would be “pursuing their own agenda”.158
 
That is because this wasn't a failure of the machinery of government; it was a decision taken consciously and in contradiction of almost all the advice that the government gave the Prime Minister of the time.

i disagree absolutely - one of the failures of the the machinery was that that machinery was able to be bypassed by our grinning friend.
 
Sum para 20:

In the Inquiry’s view, the diplomatic options had not at that stage been exhausted.
Military action was therefore not a last resort.

Para 23:

Mr Blair asked Parliament to endorse a decision to invade and occupy a sovereign
nation, without the support of a Security Council resolution explicitly authorising the use
of force. Parliament endorsed that choice.
 
Anyone else find it extremely poor taste to mention the hundreds of thousands of civillian deaths in the same breath as the fourteen-and-a-half British troops who died? If you join the army and invade an almost defenceless third world country and you still manage to get yourself killed, fuck you.

Most of those deaths were Iraqis killing other Iraqis.
 
Ann Clwyd now valiantly Hodoring for Blair. "I wish people would ask Iraqis what they think of the invasion", etc

:eek:

Perhaps we can direct her here?

https://www.quora.com/Is-Iraq-a-better-place-or-worse-to-live-since-the-fall-of-Saddam-Hussein


And from the Mirror

Life for children in Iraq is now much worse than before Britain invaded to topple Saddam Hussein, according to UK-based charity.

War Child said that 3.6 million youngsters – one in five of all Iraqi children - are at risk of death, injury, sexual violence, recruitment into fighting and abduction.

This has increased by 1.3 million in the last 18 months.
 
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Alan Johnson with a powerful intervention* claiming that Chilcott finds no evidence that anyone lied.

* ie: bollocks
 
Deaths which were predicted before the invasion as an inevitable consequence of military action. All those soldiers still got on the plane.

No they weren't . When we first got there it was all smiles and welcomes and plans were being made for litter patrols and bridge building as there was nothing else for us to do and then it all went slowly to shit.
 
They are all coming out to bat for Tony; Hilary Benn just suggested what we need is a UN that is more likely to intervene, but obviously some people should pay some lip service to what criticism they can't dissimulate away.
 
Most of those deaths were Iraqis killing other Iraqis.

Well, possibly:

The Government’s consideration of the issue of Iraqi civilian casualties was
driven by its concern to rebut accusations that Coalition Forces were responsible
for the deaths of large numbers of civilians, and to sustain domestic support for
operations in Iraq.
 
No they weren't . When we first got there it was all smiles and welcomes and plans were being made for litter patrols and bridge building as there was nothing else for us to do and then it all went slowly to shit.
The report clearly says that such a response was highly likely. It went to shit incredibly quickly, never stopped being shit, in fact.
 
Joshua Rozenberg on the (slim) chances of Blair facing any kind of legal action:
The Iraq war inquiry has left the door open for Tony Blair to be prosecuted | Joshua Rozenberg
My 100% speculative guesstimate is that he'll never see the inside of a police station, still less a courtroom. The only thing is that there may well be a desire to let the military bereaved families at least go through some of the hurdles, not to the point where they get their day in court but at least an investigation (perhaps on the malfeasance charge). There's just a possibility that Blair could be interviewed as part of that (provided his busy schedule allows it, naturally), but no chances of actual charges.
 
From summary

68.
On 26 February 2002, Sir Richard Dearlove, the Chief of the Secret Intelligence Service, advised that the US Administration had concluded that containment would not work, was drawing up plans for a military campaign later in the year, and was considering presenting Saddam Hussein with an ultimatum for the return of inspectors while setting the bar “so high that Saddam Hussein would be unable to comply."
 
Joshua Rozenberg on the (slim) chances of Blair facing any kind of legal action:
The Iraq war inquiry has left the door open for Tony Blair to be prosecuted | Joshua Rozenberg
My 100% speculative guesstimate is that he'll never see the inside of a police station, still less a courtroom. The only thing is that there may well be a desire to let the military bereaved families at least go through some of the hurdles, not to the point where they get their day in court but at least an investigation (perhaps on the malfeasance charge). There's just a possibility that Blair could be interviewed as part of that (provided his busy schedule allows it, naturally), but no chances of actual charges.

Impeachment more likely than misconduct, I think - on the grounds that a jury would probably convict him, wheras the Lords probably wouldn't.
 
The report clearly says that such a response was highly likely. It went to shit incredibly quickly, never stopped being shit, in fact.

Well they obviously kept that little fact to themselves then, don't remember anyone claiming that was going to happen when I went out there. Just before it all went wrong.
 
So far a great many peoples response has been "yeah we fucked up but Saddam was a monster!!"

Thats great but if you'd made the intervention about that, about the prospect of freeing Iraq and gone in with a fucking PLAN we'd all be better off.

You cunts.
 
I'm not watching it, but presumably the speaker is completely ignoring/forgetting the fact that Corbyn has an entirely new team of foreign secretary/ministers?

Its only the PM and the Leader of the Opposition that respond to these things, he is just going through the more involved MPs in the normal way.
 
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