Change UK: Chuka Umunna resigns from Labour party and launches Independent Group

[Wilf]

So will they field candidates in an upcoming general election in all seats, do folk think?

First of all will be the Flynn (Newport) by election. Presumably won't be able to stand a candidate as they are not a party yet, but will have to decide whether to support the libdems. Labour had a massive majority in 2017 and the Libdems were nowhere, so a not very auspicious starting point for the Tiggers.

Edit: Newport also voted Leave - so just about the worst place for playing Tig.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The three ex-Tories now holding a press conference.

 

[manji]

You realise that’s out of order, right manji ?

All but one of the Labour deserters were Freinds Of Israel

 

[Pickman's model]

First of all will be the Flynn (Newport) by election. Presumably won't be able to stand a candidate as they are not a party yet, but will have to decide whether to support the libdems. Labour had a massive majority in 2017 and the Libdems were nowhere, so a not very auspicious starting point for the Tiggers.

 

[Pickman's model]

All but one of the Labour deserters were Freinds Of Israel

friends. i before e except after c.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Heidi up first - "You've heard of the magnificent seven, and the lone ranger last night, I guess that makes us the three amigos.'

 

[Wilf]

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[Sue]

The three ex-Tories now holding a press conference.

Can you watch it so we don't have to and report back on any tingey moments? Thanks!

 

[Pickman's model]

Heidi up first - "You've heard of the magnificent seven, and the lone ranger last night, I guess that makes us the three amigos.'

the three stooges

 

[Argonia]

The three ex-Tories now holding a press conference.

It's here: MPs who quit Tory party for breakaway group set out reasons – Politics live

 

[Lucy Fur]

friends. i before e except after c.

perhaps manji 's typo was the 'r'

 

[cupid_stunt]

 

[chilango]

All but one of the Labour deserters were Freinds Of Israel

Not good enough.

Even a quick Google suggests if you're going that route then it's the Israeli Labor Party that you should be looking at in terms of links.

So, why bring this up anyway?

 

[Wilf]

Not good enough.

Even a quick Google suggests if you're going that route then it's the Israeli Labor Party that you should be looking at in terms of links.

So, why bring this up anyway?

Exactly. And in an environment where there's been an element of guilt by association in the accusations of antisemitism against Corbyn, this is doing exactly the same on the other side of the argument.

 

[Sprocket.]

Strangely it was the Labour government’s refusal to condemn Israel for their actions in Lebanon that caused a major fall out with me and Ed Miliband. And why since then I have had very little to do with them.
2004/5.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

My gran fed her African Grey with all sorts of not entirely appropriate food: snickers, bacon, boiled eggs, chicken korma. Lived a long life

amd how did the parrot do?

 

[tonysingh]

amd how did the parrot do?

Genuine apologies to MadeInBedlams nan and her parrot but I couldn't resist....

 

[ViolentPanda]

If I was a betting man, which I am, I’d risk a flutter on “The Progressive Party”.

That wouldn't surprise me. None of them appear to have any sense of irony.

Or of humour, frankly.

 

[Wilf]

Anybody with any illusions about the '3' being one nation tories, should have a look on here, particularly the Welfare and Benefits bit:
Voting record - Anna Soubry MP, Broxtowe - TheyWorkForYou
Voting record - Sarah Wollaston MP, Totnes - TheyWorkForYou

Even Heidi 'in tears for the poor' Allen, with limited info as she was only elected in 2015, voted against the poor.
Voting record - Heidi Allen MP, South Cambridgeshire - TheyWorkForYou

 

[Wilf]

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Genuine apologies to MadeInBedlams nan and her parrot but I couldn't resist....

To be fair, all threads over 40 pages ultimately include a parrot-nan-apology.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Well, isn't all this fun?

lol

 

[Wilf]

Oh, apparently Gary Linneker is a Tigger fan (some twitter thing). In terms of earlier Match of the Day presenters, Des Lynam is considering his position, while David Icke...

 

[Barking_Mad]

Voting record - Sarah Wollaston MP, Totnes - TheyWorkForYou

But, but.............

“This is about more than Brexit. I joined the party after spending 24 years in the NHS as a frontline doctor wanting to make a difference,” she says. She joined a tolerant, modern open-hearted Conservative party, which has since disappeared, says Wollaston

 

[cupid_stunt]

Big bust-up between wiki editors as to if polls including TIG should be included in the main list of polls, so they have come out with this idea...

Screen-grabbed, because it could disappear again.

Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election - Wikipedia

 

[Raheem]

Voting record - Sarah Wollaston MP, Totnes - TheyWorkForYou

Confusingly, also seems to have voted anti-EU 18 times and pro-EU never.

 

[Wilf]

But, but.............

She's been all over the place on Brexit too. Started the referendum off as a leaver then shifted, partly as a result of the lies on Brexit and nhs funding.
Sarah Wollaston - Wikipedia

Edit:beaten to it.

Seems to be a bit thick.

That wiki page does mention she voted against the rollout of Universal Credit.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I remember at the time of the SDP, a good percentage of the Labour defectors were facing deselection. 3 (?) of this lot have had voncs for a kick off.

The point about the culture is an interesting one. Antisemitism wasn't in the mix back in the SDP period, so things are different now. But if anything the flak received by the right/potential defectors was more brutal back then. Words like traitor were entry level insults.

Maybe that sounds like some kind of 'snowflakes, insults were better in my day... poltical correctness gone mad' point. It isn't really. All I'm suggesting is if you strip out the antisemitism and internet trolling - pretty big things to strip out, I admit - the actual political criticism of the defectors has been quite restrained.

Fucking non-existent more like. This from McDonnell was atrocious. We'll listen to critics, vows McDonnell

You're supposed to be preparing for govt, not "listening" to a bunch of Blairite flouncers who are now officially working with Tories.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Big bust-up between wiki editors as to if polls including TIG should be included in the main list of polls, so they have come out with this idea...

View attachment 162445 Screen-grabbed, because it could disappear again.

Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election - Wikipedia

Pretty much what you'd expect then and what everyone on here has been saying for years - not enough to win any seats but enough to make a big dent in Labour's chances. I'm sure they're very pleased.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Can't see how there is. The options are may's shoddy deal, no deal, no brexit. Not ooh let's rerun the last six months again

I mean, no one wants to rerun the last six months again. Except MP's that don't want May's deal or no deal and don't want to just come out and say let's cancel Brexit.

 

[likesfish]

Funding blow for breakaway MP group

For all of chukka's 3d chess playing ability party formed between elections not eligible for short money state cash for doing party stuff handed out per number of elected mps so the lib Dems get £73.58 a week